Fromafar Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Last resort comments me thinks!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 But at the end of the day BSI are the ones making the money out of the competitions, not the leagues, not the riders. OK so I guess Buster has made money from hiring the Norfolk Arena to them which is great but that's about it. Or are you telling me that TeamGB get loadsamoney for putting a team together to compete in the WTC? So your saying only Gp riders should compete in the world cup?! Harris is nowhere near good enough. The fact he didnt even make the GP challenge final says it all when crap like Ljung, dryml, smolinski etc did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Harris is deluded if he thinks hes GP standard, hes had umpteen wild cards based on his nationality not his ability, its sad that we dont have any riders these days of genuine world class quality but i believe you should be in on ability not nationality. That harris is seen as the best we have shows the dire state of speedway in GB at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Hmmm interesting, Bomber is right, if BSI don't think he's good enough for THEIR GP series then why should he give his services for THEIR World Team Cup competition .............. politicis eh , this is where the lack of "proper" qualifiers for all riders, every year, for the individual championship goes wrong. If they all had to go through qualifers then they'd all be satisfied being in or out, it would be all up to them. Hmmm...Let me see, 36 riders are needed for the SWC main events. 16 are needed for a SGP. It doesn't take a genius to work out that some who race in the SWC wont get a place in the SGP series. Harris is sounding more an more pathetic with every comment he makes. He had two shots at qualifying this year. He failed in both. He should bow out gracefully and sort out his pathetic mechanical setup and work on qualifying back into the SGP on merit. If IMG think that a Brit is needed in the series, they should ask Andy Smith to make a comeback. He probably has the best record of qualifying out of the Brits 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 This is the frustrating thing! I do not want this to sound like I am preaching to a NATIONAL HERO / SUPERSTAR! (But it will!) I just oh so want to be able to cheer on a GB rider in finals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have not worked on Grasstrack/Speedway bikes for mmmmmmmmmmmm .... years (a long time) and not with a SUPERSTAR. Most of my time recently has been with car racing of different types. But the rider & mechanic talk AND TRY THINGS, you learn by your mistakes, YOU TWEAK you learn by your mistakes, ALTER GEARING you learn by your mistakes, TIMING you learn by your mistakes, JETTING you learn by your mistakes, TYRE PRESSURES you learn by your mistakes, TRACK CONDITIONS you learn by your mistakes, TRACK TYPE you learn by your mistakes!!!!!! If you DO NOT learn by your mistakes and eventually improve from those mistakes you get nowhere! This I fear is Chis's biggest problem! (Great natural ability, balance, bravery, strength) In a different sport (Same problems) I know someone who was rubbish at gating! they set up there own practice start and did 15mins of gating practice every night they could in all weathers (50foot) they kept a log of every start made in all weathers with a time, revs etc etc (The difference was very noticeable) and through practice they could naturally suss it out and gain consistancy! Chris from an outside view we can see whats wrong and only you can GRAB IT AND CHANGE IT! (Set up & gating) If you get the confidence back in your SET UP & GATING you will be able to make big finals again! Sorry for going on! But I love it when I see Chris Harris in full Chris Harris mode (Flying high & wide brave and fighting for victory) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadmau5 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Because he's supposed to be offering his service to his country, NOT BSI. If every ex-GP rider had Harris' attitude, hardly anyone would bother with the World Cup at all. Instead most riders see representing their country as an honour, not a favour to the organisers for receiving a totally unjustified wildcard every year. JT. If Bomber didn't rider for GB, he wouldn't be the first. I do remember the late Lee Richardson not wishing to ride for his country due to 'issues' with the BSPA. That said, I do feel Lee's decision was more viable than Chris's - who just wants yet another hand-out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 The trouble is (Will not ride in the World Cup) sounds like a knee jerk reaction and a sulky strop! Theres far more riders in the W Cup than the GP so if they all said that we would only end up with 16 riders in the W Cup! lol Relish every opportunity to race the best riders in the world! God knows you need the practice to realy try and improve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) It's disappointing that so many people on the forum do not care about him or about having a Brit in the GP's. Maybe if we got behind our riders a bit more they might do better. I care about having a Brit in the GP series but am not blinkered that I can't see we don't deserve to be there on any form of merit and as long as we are given endless charity picks we will not see a rider representing us that feels he has to strive to be there. Harris, if this is true, is a sad pathetic figure deluded by his own ability who feels let down by everybody but himself. Yes he is a good rider but so are plenty of people who have not had the chances he has due to not being British. When we have a rider who sees a need to actually make the effort to qualify than we may find ourselves deserving of a place. But qualifying using the power of 'whining' to seal a place is not the way forward. Harris does NOT deserve a place but hopefully soon we will have a rider who does. Tai is a decent prospect but he has his Harris style moments and needs to up his game to compete with the big boys. Quitting Team GB is a self destructive act as Harris needs them more than they need him as losing him might actually spur on a youngster and do us some good. We are not likely to win the SWC in the next decade so a Harris less England would hardly harm our prospects as they are zero anyway. Edited October 3, 2012 by pandorum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 If he wants to turn his back on the world cup because the powers that be don't think he's good enough for the GP's then screw him. We can give his WC place to a youngster and bring on some more talent. We'll do awfully for a couple of years granted but in the long run we'll be better off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I UNDERSTAND your sentiments Dave but where are these youngsters going to come from? They wont just appear like magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I UNDERSTAND your sentiments Dave but where are these youngsters going to come from? They wont just appear like magic. That's what the bloke just said! What real benefit do team GB get from having Harris? Does he pass on his vast mechanical knowledge to the younger members of the team. Does he inspire them with his vast repetoire of whinng and moaning. I would rather see a team of young triers score ten points in the SWC and learn something than watch Harris and co's mediocre efforts. We are no hopers anyway so what have we to lose? Chris is doing us a favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 NO he didn't. Has nothing to do with Harris. I am asking where are we going to find some authentic young riders to match those being unearthed in Denmark and Poland, let alone Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 NO he didn't. Has nothing to do with Harris. I am asking where are we going to find some authentic young riders to match those being unearthed in Denmark and Poland, let alone Australia. putting them in our league teams would be a start-which the teams have to do in Poland and Sweden.Certainly all Premier league teams should have British U21 riders at reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I UNDERSTAND your sentiments Dave but where are these youngsters going to come from? They wont just appear like magic. I agree, they won't, but by chucking our youngsters in at the deep end it in theory should spur them on. I remember a few years ago denmark had a test match against team GB at wolverhampton and they tracked a VERY young side, of which most of them are now heat leaders in the world's top leagues. This is a different matter however, we know Harris has grit and determination, but if he's prepared to spit his dummy out because he can't get yet another wild card pick then let him! Give the youngsters a chance, even if we do get an absolute pasting for the next 2 or 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 BUT all those young Danes had come through the ranks of junior speedway and so on. Until we have a proper infrastructure in place to help these kids we will never have a rich vein of talent to build for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 BUT all those young Danes had come through the ranks of junior speedway and so on. Until we have a proper infrastructure in place to help these kids we will never have a rich vein of talent to build for the future. I agree - we definitely don't have the same structure Denmark/Sweden/Poland do, but you have to admit with the efforts of Phil Morris and co have put in this year, we are in a better position than previous years. What I'm trying to say is that GB won't need Harris in a few years time. You seem rather pessimistic today Mr. Rising? that's normally my forte! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Agree with a lot of the comments on here about Bombers gating. He should get an ex rider who was a good gater Kelvin Tatum, Chris Louis etc even Simmo to give him a tuition about making good starts and he would then have half a chance. Maybe he has done this already with Rosco or Marc Courtney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 YOU can bring a horse to water but.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmas Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Maybe Chris Harris horse doesn't like water lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 If he wants to turn his back on the world cup because the powers that be don't think he's good enough for the GP's then screw him. We can give his WC place to a youngster and bring on some more talent. We'll do awfully for a couple of years granted but in the long run we'll be better off Agreed and the rider to replace him IMO who's exciting to watch - Adam Roynon and look forward to see if Richie Worrall can recover and progress next year. He's next in line. I think we are seeing progression in British riders but they require jobs abroad and we seem unable to get that move. That's where the money is to support better sponsorship & buying top quality equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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