NJC71 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Very harsh on the Diamonds tonight. Already running rider replacement we needed all riders on form but Ludvig had by his standards something of an off night and Henry had mechanical problems. Of course we also had the disadvantage of not being able to use a tactical in the play-off match. That is totally unfair in my opinion. If no tacticals are used in the first match then none should be allowed in the second. That would be fair. As it was with Doyle and Monberg in such good from it always looked to big an ask and so it proved. Again we didn't get enough from the heat leaders to compensate slightly off nights for the others Ned apart. Congratulations to Somerset. Wright is absolutely awful, what has happened to him over the last few years is a mystery. He can moan all he likes about the referee but he was miles off the pace and beaten fair and square by a NL guest who has virtually no experience of this track. Doyle though is the most accomplished rider in the league. Rode inteligently all night and was a class apart. Monberg was always likely to be a serious threat on this track and so it proved. Both reserves were lively. Not sour grapes but I do think the Rebels will have been fortunate if they go on and win the league but that is speedway I guess. No doubt they'll change the rules again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esskay Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 First of all congratulations to Somerset, they fought hard for every point and deserve their place in the cup final. However I hope I never again have to read supporters from other teams calling Newcastle fans for cheering when a rider falls after witnessing the promotion, riders and pit crew jumping up and down and cheering when Stuart Robson fell in heat 15 (this could be excused at heat of the moment stuff at a pinch), but then in the re run when it was mathematically impossible for Newcastle to win, they cheered even more when Ludvig Lindgren fell. I repeat, that was the promotion, riders and pit crew jumping up and down and cheering when a rider fell - so leave us fans alone in future please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble53 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 at Somerset Newcastle were not far enough behind to use a tactical. Of course we also had the disadvantage of not being able to use a tactical in the play-off match. Have you not thought about why that might be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo133 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) you can blame henry and ludvigs problems for the overall defeats but for me it was newcastles 2 top heatleaders that let the team down again as they were no match for the rebels top 2 who out scored them 54 - 37 over the 2 matches at ncstle and at somerset 48 - 34 ! Edited September 30, 2012 by pablo133 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Have you not thought about why that might be ? ?? Of course I know why we couldn't use a tactical..point is that Newcastle performed better than Somerset did away from home over the first 12 heats and were penalised because of it. That is just rediculous. you can blame henry and ludvigs problems for the overall defeats but for me it was newcastles 2 top heatleaders that let the team down again as they were no match for the rebels top 2 who out scored them 54 - 37 over the 2 matches at ncstle and at somerset 48 - 34 ! Been the problem all season George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Lemon and Robson have cost Newcastle many points this season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Somerset looked like the better team on the night. Consistently outgated in the first match, and they picked up the points when it mattered in the second. Good luck to the Rebel's in the finals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffyscouse Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Lemon and Robson have cost Newcastle many points this season HarSH OR what - Lemo got an injury and Robbo carried you - losinf Richie worral fooke it up - tho Nedermark at res has been stunning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondgem Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Fair play to Somerset tonight, Newcastle were just too inconsistent. Story of our season! What wasn't nice to see though was cheering for fallen riders. Not from fans though - this time from Somerset riders and management! To cheer when ludvig fell, knowing the aggregate was already won (and having already cheered when stu fell) is totally unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Fair play to Somerset tonight, Newcastle were just too inconsistent. Story of our season! What wasn't nice to see though was cheering for fallen riders. Not from fans though - this time from Somerset riders and management! To cheer when ludvig fell, knowing the aggregate was already won (and having already cheered when stu fell) is totally unacceptable. Some of Newcastle's fans have been ascussed of this in the past but to be fair Robbo was up quickly and Ludvig didn't really fall he just spun it round. I don't think they would have cheered had either been a bad crash and that's what gets lost in this debate. They had just taken a big step to winning the league and were through to the LC final, can't blame them for being happy about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Newcastle's top 2 couldn't live with Somerset's top 2 and Somerset just about deserved to go through. Still feels desperately unfair on a Newcastle team that has coped manfully with injuries to win the league only for the trophy to be awarded to the team with no injuries over a 4 game season. James Wrights rolling starts were so exaggerated I thought it was a deliberate ploy to get Kyle Newman more rides. He almost broke the tapes from a 15 metre handicap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Newcastle's top 2 couldn't live with Somerset's top 2 and Somerset just about deserved to go through. Still feels desperately unfair on a Newcastle team that has coped manfully with injuries to win the league only for the trophy to be awarded to the team with no injuries over a 4 game season. James Wrights rolling starts were so exaggerated I thought it was a deliberate ploy to get Kyle Newman more rides. He almost broke the tapes from a 15 metre handicap! As Newman is reserve he could have taken 7 rides if needed. James was moving at starts on Friday, I think it's frustration as his bikes are not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 And so the fortune of having a full team at playoff time is shown to the detriment of the true league champions I wasnt aware the league champions had been declared yet,Newcastle finished top of the qualification table but didnt think they were the true league champions........... I bet the promotions of the other play off teams went to bed with big smile last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooksy Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I wasnt aware the league champions had been declared yet,Newcastle finished top of the qualification table but didnt think they were the true league champions........... I bet the promotions of the other play off teams went to bed with big smile last night Too right! Everyone knew that the team at the top of the table after the initial 24 fixtures won nothing other than the right to choose their opponents for the play-offs - and Newcastle picked Somerset over Edinburgh!! More fool them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Nobody's won nothing yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 James was moving at starts on Friday, I think it's frustration as his bikes are not working. It's not frustration, it's cheating. He was quite rightly excluded. Twice. Be interesting to see if there are any repercussions of his actions afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 It's not frustration, it's cheating. He was quite rightly excluded. Twice. Be interesting to see if there are any repercussions of his actions afterwards. Yeah,,, he should be hauled over the coals and severly reprimanded,,, maybe take all of his point off him and see how much it would change the results !!!Also, IMO, he definately took Jesper B off early on when on a 1-5, to try and see if he could do any better himself !!! In the one race in which Kyle Newman did replace him for all his 'tapes offences' over the weekend, Kyle got the better of Ben Morley, which would be expected, I think,,,,,,, there's always the KO Cup :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 It's not frustration, it's cheating. He was quite rightly excluded. Twice. Be interesting to see if there are any repercussions of his actions afterwards. For the love of God, what "repercussions" do you want for a bit of pantomime tomfoolery? So he kicked the pit gate - any reason it wasn't opened for him anyway? - and shoved a few folk out of the way - why was anyone from the home side getting involved anyway other than causing a bit of mischief, the Somerset management & riders were coping perfectly well - while having a bit of a strop. All of which was made funnier for anyone with a grasp of the rules (so, not many then) that once he had finished the strop, he was going to have to come back out & take his third ride . So what? It warmed up a cool evening and provided a bit of exercise for the knuckle-dragging obese element (so, quite a few then), dragging their carcases along the terracing to the pits fence to presumably pass on their tactical advice & condolences to Wright, having inadvertedly fallen foul of the official's ire. Maybe they should fine the ass off him as an example to others.Then it can be drummed into riders that emotion - even when it's comical - has no place in the sport. As much as any recently written rule, the lack of "character", "incidents" & "pantomime villany" is responsible for the acres of concrete on show whenever a speedway crowd gathers on a terracing. Incidently, whatever has gone wrong with Wright over the last few years, it almost saved the night for Newcastle - never one of his best tracks, but if the Wright of a few years ago had turned up & scored his then usual 5, 6, or 7 points it would have been a pretty miserable night for Newcastle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarletrider Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 So disapointed at the way things turned out for the Diamonds last night. It almost seemed like (A Bridge Too Far) for Newcastle after a long hard fought and injury ravaged season. I can fully understand the frustration of my fellow Diamonds fans, but for some of them to criticise and blame Robson and Lemon for Newcastles end of season stutter is just not justified. These two senior riders, (along with Richie Worrall) have led the Diamonds to the top of the league, they are also the leading points scorers in the team. So well done to the team, and yes it is a team game. So we should be thankful to them for getting us in that position, given what was available to them team wise. My lasting memory from last night was the absolute silence after the race when all hope had disappeared for Newcastle - the stadium was like a ghost town - the atmosphere was eerie. That told you how much it hurt the fans!! So let's regroup and get behind the lads and try to salvage what we can from the season. "The Mackem" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) For the love of God, what "repercussions" do you want for a bit of pantomime tomfoolery? So he kicked the pit gate - any reason it wasn't opened for him anyway? - and shoved a few folk out of the way - why was anyone from the home side getting involved anyway other than causing a bit of mischief, the Somerset management & riders were coping perfectly well - while having a bit of a strop. All of which was made funnier for anyone with a grasp of the rules (so, not many then) that once he had finished the strop, he was going to have to come back out & take his third ride . So what? It warmed up a cool evening and provided a bit of exercise for the knuckle-dragging obese element (so, quite a few then), dragging their carcases along the terracing to the pits fence to presumably pass on their tactical advice & condolences to Wright, having inadvertedly fallen foul of the official's ire. Maybe they should fine the ass off him as an example to others.Then it can be drummed into riders that emotion - even when it's comical - has no place in the sport. As much as any recently written rule, the lack of "character", "incidents" & "pantomime villany" is responsible for the acres of concrete on show whenever a speedway crowd gathers on a terracing. Having been watching speedway since late 70's I agree about the pantomime part of your post. Was nothing better than seeing a rider smash a starting gate phone( whatever happened to them) or go storming to the refs box. But can you imagine the repucussions if Wayne Rooney reacted like James Wright did after he had been booked and then done it again if he had been sent off. Edited October 1, 2012 by KEITH M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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