BluPanther Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 what's that got to do with this? the riders are self employed. They are not and have never been employees of Peterborough, therefore, technically Frost has no call on their services. I am not sure how and why the asset system was set up but it was done in the days before European and Employment laws. That is why any rider will ride where they want. Frost, I am afraid to say, although I do empathise with how things have gone for him since he has come in to speedway, may have now put speedway in a position where the asset system could be tested in a court of law. Tested by who ? The cost would be enormous, it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 theres a nice car in the showroom down the road. I need a car to get to work but can't afford the one I really want. Funnily enough when I suggested he loan me the car as there is a recession on he laughed me out of the dealership and told me to find a car I could afford..... ok I believe you. But if he couldnt sell the car, as nobody else wants it,surely he would rather loan it otherwise he has. no money coming in at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 The thing though Matt is some teams don't have 2nd strings or reserves as assetts so have to get riders in on loan & likewise their parent club can only fit so many in as with Steady, Mads, Zengi, Doyley etc so some clubs work together to sort things out. Everyone is struggling for money & yet we expect Gary to buy riders as assetts rather than loan. About time they started living in the real world. Swindon could have used any of those riders you mentioned, but instead we chose Eddie Kennett, who's a Coventry asset. There is a lot of movement between clubs of second-strings and reserves. However, we have no heatleader assets, therefore are totally reliant on another team loaning us one. Peterborough have six headleaders, therefore it seems a fairly obvious conclusion for Swindon to buy the riders they require, rather than loan them season after season. Of course, the flip side to this is that I can completely understand why Swindon don't want to buy anyone, based upon a) the imminent meltdown on the asset system and the potential of there being no Elite League in 2014 (which may also explain Peterborough's eagerness to sell riders). Ergo, we find ourselves in stalemate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 But if he couldnt sell the car, as nobody else wants it,surely he would rather loan it otherwise he has. no money coming in at all All car dealerships offer contract hire as well as selling the car outright. The dealer will usually make more money doing a contract hire deal and probably sell another car at the end of the contract. Maybe this is where speedway is going wrong? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Tested by who ? The cost would be enormous, it will never happen. That's what they said about football! Ended up by getting tested by an unknown Belgium player with very little assets & resulted in the transfer system in football being deemed illegal. The system for football at that time was very similar to the speedway asset system, where the club still held the footballer's registration even tho' the contract had ended. Only wants one lawyer on a no win, no fee basis to test out the system. I would have thought it would be a win, win situation for him as could claim his costs from the BSPA. If this happened, my guess that the BSPA would cave in before it got to court as I think they know they would have no chance of winning in court! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Robin Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 theres a nice car in the showroom down the road. I need a car to get to work but can't afford the one I really want. Funnily enough when I suggested he loan me the car as there is a recession on he laughed me out of the dealership and told me to find a car I could afford..... Would that be the same showroom that has the Larssen, Fisher and Hougaard models available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Would that be the same showroom that has the Larssen, Fisher and Hougaard models available? LOL Good one, MR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) Would that be the same showroom that has the Larssen, Fisher and Hougaard models available? Not sure the hougaard model is available yet but yes sounds like the same showroom. It's a nice showroom and they have quite a lot of good quality stock but they have been told they can only have two nice cars on show and so have been forced to give up the NKI model as there is a second hand car dealer in Kings Lynn doesn't have much stock of their own. There is a similar second hand car dealer in Swindon that needs bailing out too apparently... Edited January 18, 2013 by Noodles 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 That's what they said about football! Ended up by getting tested by an unknown Belgium player with very little assets & resulted in the transfer system in football being deemed illegal. The system for football at that time was very similar to the speedway asset system, where the club still held the footballer's registration even tho' the contract had ended. Only wants one lawyer on a no win, no fee basis to test out the system. I would have thought it would be a win, win situation for him as could claim his costs from the BSPA. If this happened, my guess that the BSPA would cave in before it got to court as I think they know they would have no chance of winning in court! The football contract and transfer system has no similarity to the current speedway system. Bosman was out of contract with his then current club but had no other club to play for and no money coming in since he wan't being allowed to up-sticks and go anywhere else. He had no job whatever. The riders currently embroiled in this saga have two, three or even four well-paid jobs elsewhere. It's anybody's guess what the arbiters at a court hearing would decide if all the facts are known, such as the riders concerned had all agreed, at some stage, to become assets and allow Peterborough a say in their futures. I would suggest the likelihood of an ambulance-chasing freebie to you lawyer taking this on would be practically nil since they like quick easy cases of a sort they're familiar with rather than a potentially lengthy case disputing a system they know nothing about. Would that be the same showroom that has the Larssen, Fisher and Hougaard models available? ? Is that official? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Speculation maybe, but doesn't all the evidence point in one direction? Who else do you suppose it might have been? I don't suppose anything as i wasn't able to mind-read Batchelor`s brain when he posted. Swindon - maybe, Peterborough - maybe, Belle Vue - possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Does anybody know which riders for any team have chosen not to become an asset of a team? What do they do instead and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Not sure the hougaard model is available yet but yes sounds like the same showroom. It's a nice showroom and they have quite a lot of good quality stock but they have been told they can only have two nice cars on show and so have been forced to give up the NKI model as there is a second hand car dealer in Kings Lynn doesn't have much stock of their own. There is a similar second hand car dealer in Swindon that needs bailing out too apparently... Bailing out?....lmao get over yerself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) Bailing out?....lmao get over yerself I suggest you use your own heat leaders then..... Edited January 18, 2013 by Noodles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I suggest you use your own heat leaders then..... That'll be the ones that aren't wanted by Peterborough then As I've said before no one OWNS them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 That'll be the ones that aren't wanted by Peterborough then As I've said before no one OWNS them! Well Swindon dont, and i would guess P'boro have a small claim on them having purchased them in the first place. If you cant afford them, lower your sights and live within your means. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 So the Peterborough fans would rather see two of their assets sit out the season as a matter of principle. The rules allow "assets" to go out on loan if they are not included in their parent club's plans - as was shown for NKI who is going to KL for a third year!! No wonder they don't want to ride for Peterborough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 So the Peterborough fans would rather see two of their assets sit out the season as a matter of principle. The rules allow "assets" to go out on loan if they are not included in their parent club's plans - as was shown for NKI who is going to KL for a third year!! No wonder they don't want to ride for Peterborough Dont recall Hans and Troy ever saying that i must admit. Seems likely that you will get Hans on loan, but as you sold Troy to P'boro in the first place, in seems the ruling to buy him back is a fair one i would have thought. Maybe Frosty will do some payment terms or some other compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 No wonder they don't want to ride for Peterborough Which is the sort of comment which makes us quite happy for them to do anything but go near Swindon. Up until this year and these 3, Panthers fans and management have never had a problem with their assets earning a living elsewhere (funnily enough apart from Andersen going to Poole a couple of years ago) so you probably need to ask why now because there's clearly more going on than we're all arguing about. i would have thought. Maybe Frosty will do some payment terms or some other compromise. I'd agree, they'll get there in the end, hopefully without the points scoring afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I suggest you use your own heat leaders then..... Change the tune ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Change the tune ..... change the font you use it's annoying Would that be the same showroom that has the Larssen, Fisher and Hougaard models available? you mysteriously didn't answer my question a few days ago so I'll have another go. Did any member if Swindon Speedway do a deal with Batch to ride for them in 2013 before getting permission from Peterborough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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