baldinhio Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 IT'S not a restriction on earning, it's a restriction of trade. The fact that they ride elsewhere is (in my opinion) irrelevant. As a self-employed tradesman any restriction on a rider "trading his wares" so to speak is surely illegal? I was quite heavily involved in soccer journalism at the time of the Bosman ruling and have always thought that British speedway would have to toe the line one day. I still do. SS has asked the question of many promoters over the years but they generally close ranks and say that it would be the ruination of British speedway. Presumably they include "rider assets" on their balance sheets. Scrapping the asset system might result in some short term pain but could prove hugely beneficial in the longer term and might actually become a more practical and workable form of rider distribution than some of the artificial and contrived methods currently in use. The idea of fixed term contracts in principle makes a lot of sense. However, the following points need to be reflected upon: 1. How do you compensate clubs such as Peterborough that have invested cash in the asset system? One option may be to say the asset system will be ended in, say, five years time. This allows time for a fair recovery of the asset value. The five years may not be sufficient. Not knowing what clubs pay and what loan fees are achievable I cannot calculate what would be fair. 2. For a fixed term contract to work with removal of the loan policy and the bickering it entails, riders under contract would need to be at the same club for the period of their contract which will remove the need to fit in a points limit on an annual basis. There is no point arguing for a fixed term contract and then saying a year later the rider cannot fit in because he has had a good season. Maybe a maximum contract period will need to be stipulated. I feel the idea of a consistent team will appeal to the younger audience as I know it is a bug bear of my kids that riders move from season to season. They do not see any long term association with riders. 3. The effect on clubs that recieve transfer fees. Financially they will be worse off. Will they survive? Will they continue to bring younger riders through? Some complain at the likes of Peterborough paying large sums of cash to smaller clubs. Perhaps they forget the benefit to the smaller clubs. With regard to restraint of trade it is difficult for me to comment fully as I do not know the standard form of contract within the current system. I assume the rider recieves a payment for agreeing to the transfer but confirmation would be useful. Do they also recieve an annual retainer? Where a rider voluntary agrees to a transfer and recieves payment I think the restraint of trade argument must be weakened. Sadly the long term future of speedway in the UK looks in the balance. Whilst changing the asset system will avoid the annual in fighting I fear without an improvement in the quality of the speedway Sky will cease to support the sport. Monster Energy are heavily promoting the sport eleswhere in the world but again want to be associated with quality. I feel the sport needs a radical overhaul with a view to putting out more competitive, quality races throughout a race card. For far to many races the outcome is known before the tapes go up.Unfortunately the BSPA clearly do not agree given the the low points limit and the restriction on two top twenty riders per team. It may need the withdrawel of Sky to shake them into action but I fear for some it will then be to late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Wake me up in April when the season actually starts zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Shame you'll miss a few meetings by then!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adder Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Shame you'll miss a few meetings by then!!! Not any meaningful ones I won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 don't forget VANISH , batchs tweet soon vanished ALLEGEDLY, rumour has it that Panthers could be doing the vanishing...Before the season even starts....But, it's probably just a rumour.... Apparently, Peterborough desperately need to sell two riders for money to help finance next season, what with their previously incurred losses, poor crowds, etc.... Having already signed Linus Sundstrom, Paterborough can only sign one other top twenty rider, so all the "Loan, Buy, Sell" shenaginans around Andersen, Batchelor and Bjerre is allegedly related to Panthers desperately needing money....Can't think why else, with jut two months before the start of the season, Peterborough are mucking the riders around.... Probably is just a rumour though....Probably...Sure it is, yeah, its just a rumour...Obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 ALLEGEDLY, rumour has it that Panthers could be doing the vanishing...Before the season even starts....But, it's probably just a rumour.... Apparently, Peterborough desperately need to sell two riders for money to help finance next season, what with their previously incurred losses, poor crowds, etc.... Having already signed Linus Sundstrom, Paterborough can only sign one other top twenty rider, so all the "Loan, Buy, Sell" shenaginans around Andersen, Batchelor and Bjerre is allegedly related to Panthers desperately needing money....Can't think why else, with jut two months before the start of the season, Peterborough are mucking the riders around.... Probably is just a rumour though....Probably...Sure it is, yeah, its just a rumour...Obviously Allegedly.. Apparently......gosh, must be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Not any meaningful ones I won't. I'd have thought for the 2012 EL champions, they would ALL be meaningful!!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Swindon on sky twice Mon March 25th at Lakeside Thurs Apr 4th at home against Kings Lynn, so Simon to return to the Abbey early, and with four of the KL riders having ridden for Swindon this should be a very good meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Swindon on sky twice Mon March 25th at Lakeside Thurs Apr 4th at home against Kings Lynn, so Simon to return to the Abbey early, and with four of the KL riders having ridden for Swindon this should be a very good meeting. Depends on whether Sheffield are riding that night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Depends on whether Sheffield are riding that night Correct, had forgotten about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Correct, had forgotten about that. And I meant to say I hope Sheffield are riding that night because Steady is pretty good round Blunsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 ALLEGEDLY, rumour has it that Panthers could be doing the vanishing...Before the season even starts....But, it's probably just a rumour.... Apparently, Peterborough desperately need to sell two riders for money to help finance next season, what with their previously incurred losses, poor crowds, etc.... Having already signed Linus Sundstrom, Paterborough can only sign one other top twenty rider, so all the "Loan, Buy, Sell" shenaginans around Andersen, Batchelor and Bjerre is allegedly related to Panthers desperately needing money....Can't think why else, with jut two months before the start of the season, Peterborough are mucking the riders around.... Probably is just a rumour though....Probably...Sure it is, yeah, its just a rumour...Obviously Has a top 20 list been approved and issued or are last season's finishing top 20 the one's to select from? I ask this because it is likely that some of these may not intend riding in 2013 so if they do not do 2012 riders 21 to 25 come into the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Genius promoting if we have agreed to go to Swindon for a Sky meeting on a Thursday when Sheffield are at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 And I meant to say I hope Sheffield are riding that night because Steady is pretty good round Blunsdon Don't provoke thecoombdog now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Genius promoting if we have agreed to go to Swindon for a Sky meeting on a Thursday when Sheffield are at home Well - Thursday is our race night as is Sheffield so I would be very surprised to see Steady at Blunsdon on a Thursday - tv or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 No No what? No official list or no 21+ to come into the equation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) No what? No official list or no 21+ to come into the equation 21+ do not come into the equation, which is how we have signed PK who was just outside the top twenty, in addition to two, hopefully, of the top twenty. Edited January 8, 2013 by A ORLOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Interesting that Swindon are denying that the BSPA have ruled the Batchelor must be bought in order to ride for Swindon this season. Furthermore, Swindon are stating that due to the circumstances, permission to enter contract talks with Batchelor can't be denied. There is a lot of hot air coming out of Peterborough. But yet again it appears the BSPA don't have any clear regulations on the processes. It really is messy, and nobody is a winner. In fairness to Peterborough they are trying to stand their ground amongst what seems confusion at the BSPA as to the regulations. With so much invested in the asset system you can understand that. It looks to me that the BSPA have made 'promises' (for want of a better word) to Peterborough concerning the asset system process, and now the Panthers are testing this approach. I fear so many promoters have been advised in so many different ways, that this will turn ugly. For most of us this is just a sport. For those directly involved in is their money at risk. None of us take kindly to being screwed over financially, and that is the danger of what some promoters may perceive as happening. I remember the time when the BSPA told Peterborough that they needed to add to their asset base so what did they do they went out and paid good money for their riders. Now it seems they may be told to release them to other teams without recouping any of their outlay. I can understand their concerns but hope for speedway's sake that some sort of compromise can be reached. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) ALLEGEDLY, rumour has it that Panthers could be doing the vanishing...Before the season even starts....But, it's probably just a rumour.... Apparently, Peterborough desperately need to sell two riders for money to help finance next season, what with their previously incurred losses, poor crowds, etc.... Having already signed Linus Sundstrom, Paterborough can only sign one other top twenty rider, so all the "Loan, Buy, Sell" shenaginans around Andersen, Batchelor and Bjerre is allegedly related to Panthers desperately needing money....Can't think why else, with jut two months before the start of the season, Peterborough are mucking the riders around.... Probably is just a rumour though....Probably...Sure it is, yeah, its just a rumour...Obviously I did hear the same actually. It was suggested that Rick could sell a couple of Range Rovers and a Roller but that would only leave him and Julie seven vehicles to get around in so he's decided to try to offload a couple of assets. Turns out that he's supposed to give them away so that buggered the plan! Edited January 8, 2013 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzCagney Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Who said he had to give them away? Why are you worrying so much about it that you are constantly commenting, Crump99? Let 'em sort it out because nothing you, me or any of us might say on it will make a jot of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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