Vincent Blachshadow Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I do have some sympathy for Peterborough though. They have six of the top 20 riders in British speedway, but can only use two of them due to an arbitary rule introduced this year. On the other hand, Swindon and Kings Lynn have no heatleader assets and therefore have to go cap-in-hand to the likes of Peterborough for riders. It's not unreasonable that Peterborough expect clubs to buy the riders they want to use, rather than loan them season after season. Quite, since Peterborough shelled out transfer fees for them in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I do have some sympathy for Peterborough though. They have six of the top 20 riders in British speedway, but can only use two of them due to an arbitary rule introduced this year. On the other hand, Swindon and Kings Lynn have no heatleader assets and therefore have to go cap-in-hand to the likes of Peterborough for riders. It's not unreasonable that Peterborough expect clubs to buy the riders they want to use, rather than loan them season after season. I did too initially, but the way they have treated these riders (assets) is surely enough for constructive dismissal anyway... Poole are very rapidly becoming my 9th favourite EL team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I did too initially, but the way they have treated these riders (assets) is surely enough for constructive dismissal anyway... Poole are very rapidly becoming my 9th favourite EL team How could you have had sympathy for Peterborough initially because they want a transfer fee for these riders then go against them for holding out for.......a transfer fee for these riders? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 How could you have had sympathy for Peterborough initially because they want a transfer fee for these riders then go against them for holding out for.......a transfer fee for these riders? Very easily, Pboro had all these assets and suddenly they could only use two of them... What I didn't realise was that Pboro would mess about most of the rest of their own assets for so long. It's still ongoing you know... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 People need to get into their heads that times are very very different even to 3-4 years ago. There is no money about to purchase assets at the moment & would be disasterous to force that on any club. Speedway is awfully short of money. The money bags of speedway Rick Frost is now starting to understand to his own cost what speedway can do. In some way I feel sorry for Frost. As a new promoter he was bullied into purchasing asset but he was willing to throw money at almost anyone of talent too. Wasn't it £20,000 for Sundstrom. Was willing to chuck the same into purchasing Ward???? As I've said before, the asset system is crashing and in my opinion there is only 1 option to the BSPA (& Peterborough were right to request regarding Iversen) scrap the asset system and increase loan fees until a reasonablee amount has been compensated to the previous asset owner. Is that not just common sense etc????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 People here keep saying Troy tweeted he was signing for Swindon then deleted the tweet. How many actually saw this tweet? I did, and it never mentioned Swindon nor that he had agreed anything I think it mentioned hope about sorting UK deal in next few days, I can't be 100% sure, but at least I am sure he never said he had agreed a deal with Swindon! I wasn't a big fan of Troy, but think he seems to have matured and has got the raw end of the deal this time! i saw it. He said deal was done in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 What is the difference in price between a loan and a transfer? It's have thought it would be cheaper to buy a rider than pay three seasons of loan fees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 i saw it. He said deal was done in the UK. But did he say definately it was with Swindon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 But did he say definately it was with Swindon? who else would it have been with?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 who else would it have been with?! So you don't have absolute proof then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 who else would it have been with?! PBoro Events have suggested since that it might have been another team, if it happened at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) i saw it. He said deal was done in the UK. If it didnt say who with then its speculation who the club was. Edited January 17, 2013 by stevebrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essaitch Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 If it didnt say who with then its speculation who the club was. Speculation maybe, but doesn't all the evidence point in one direction? Who else do you suppose it might have been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65Sarge Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) who else would it have been with?! Could've been a deal with a sponsor, a landlord to rent a house, who knows, but didn't mention a team or what sort of deal! Edited January 17, 2013 by 65Sarge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I do have some sympathy for Peterborough though. They have six of the top 20 riders in British speedway, but can only use two of them due to an arbitary rule introduced this year. On the other hand, Swindon and Kings Lynn have no heatleader assets and therefore have to go cap-in-hand to the likes of Peterborough for riders. It's not unreasonable that Peterborough expect clubs to buy the riders they want to use, rather than loan them season after season. The thing though Matt is some teams don't have 2nd strings or reserves as assetts so have to get riders in on loan & likewise their parent club can only fit so many in as with Steady, Mads, Zengi, Doyley etc so some clubs work together to sort things out. Everyone is struggling for money & yet we expect Gary to buy riders as assetts rather than loan. About time they started living in the real world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Could've been a deal with a sponsor, a landlord to rent a house, who knows, but didn't mention a team or what sort of deal! why was it deleted so quick then? PBoro Events have suggested since that it might have been another team, if it happened at all what events? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65Sarge Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) why was it deleted so quick then? Perhaps because he was advised to by his manager or other wise person of the multitude of ways it might be interpreted and that it might cause issues with sorting out a riding deal if ever permission was granted to let him speak to potential clubs for 2013? Edited January 17, 2013 by 65Sarge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 The thing though Matt is some teams don't have 2nd strings or reserves as assetts so have to get riders in on loan & likewise their parent club can only fit so many in as with Steady, Mads, Zengi, Doyley etc so some clubs work together to sort things out. Everyone is struggling for money & yet we expect Gary to buy riders as assetts rather than loan. About time they started living in the real world. theres a nice car in the showroom down the road. I need a car to get to work but can't afford the one I really want. Funnily enough when I suggested he loan me the car as there is a recession on he laughed me out of the dealership and told me to find a car I could afford..... Perhaps because he was advised to by his manager or other wise person of the multitude of ways it might be interpreted and that it might cause issues with sorting out a riding deal if ever permission was granted to let him speak to potential clubs for 2013? ok I believe you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 theres a nice car in the showroom down the road. I need a car to get to work but can't afford the one I really want. Funnily enough when I suggested he loan me the car as there is a recession on he laughed me out of the dealership and told me to find a car I could afford..... ok I believe you. Grow up as it's not eaven similar & I could say I own a house that I want to sell but can't as nobody can afford to buy it so what's my options then, oh hang on I can rent it out until the possibilty of things getting better. This is more of a similarity than what you give as Hans & Troy are Peterborough assetts & Swindon or dare I say it Belle Vue can only afford to loan(Rent) them so that's my only real option of getting some return on my initial outlay. I know what I would do & it has nothing to do with being a Swindon fan as both riders could still go to Belle Vue also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 theres a nice car in the showroom down the road. I need a car to get to work but can't afford the one I really want. Funnily enough when I suggested he loan me the car as there is a recession on he laughed me out of the dealership and told me to find a car I could afford..... ok I believe you. what's that got to do with this? the riders are self employed. They are not and have never been employees of Peterborough, therefore, technically Frost has no call on their services. I am not sure how and why the asset system was set up but it was done in the days before European and Employment laws. That is why any rider will ride where they want. Frost, I am afraid to say, although I do empathise with how things have gone for him since he has come in to speedway, may have now put speedway in a position where the asset system could be tested in a court of law. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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