Comets In Trouble

[wjm]

ippo , elite league wooden spooners, to premier league loosers cup hopefuls. people in glass houses , should not throw stons.

 

But a club that seem pretty stable and haven’t been afraid to take the tough decision to move leagues to help safeguard the long term future of the club…..there are differing ways to be “successful”.

[Mr Snackette]

........How the hell would you know what our promoter can afford sitting behind your computer in your old folks home !!!

 

Workington haven't closed yet might I remind you and your comments on this one Snacky are well out of order, the only loser in this is you, for someone who is pleased when a speedway club is in crisis..... PATHETIC

 

Well if you are running a business and losing money - £3k per meeting according to YOUR promoter - then clearly expenses are exceeding income. You don't have to be a genius to work out that a team has been put together that the promoter really can't afford......it really isn't rocket science!!!!! However you clearly struggle with simple mathematics, still you may have some time on your hands next season to improve your understanding on the three Rs!!!!!

 

I certainly don't delight at any promotion's troubles and I don't believe you can find any evidence to back up your vituperative claims.

 

If being a loser means that I'm a fan that's pretty certain to be watching their team next season...then a loser I am. I'm not sure that too many others will agree though!!!!!!!!

[wjm]

As I've already said a number of times, the Sky EL 10 teams model is dead, not least of all because the EL teams are basically PL lineups with a couple of "star" guests bolstering the teams.

 

If a handful of money bags promoters want to have star studded lineups, then let them start their own travelling circus of superstars.

 

The PL has its own problems but, at least until recently could provide speedway at a reasonable level in keeping with crowd levels and, with one or two exceptions, in keeping with British talent.

 

It's a second division country, accept and get on with it.

 

The problem now is that the combined effects of recession and weather mean that clubs aren't losing a bit of money, they're falling off a cliff.

 

The conference this year will probably see a large scale reorganisation.

 

It would be incredible to think anyone would be applying to join the EL, and anything more than half a dozen will be a bonus and a surprise.

 

Equally IF any of the fall out from the EL thinks the PL is worth joining and even if Dudley are permitted to move up, I'd be surprised if there are 13 teams in the PL by next March.

 

At the other extreme, The NL will be a handful of little more than training tracks - which is pretty much what its supposed to be anyway.

 

The only way for the PL to survive & prosper will be to cut wages and make it a take it or leave it situation. That might water down the PL slightly, but so be it.

 

To counteract the new wage regime from a riders' point of view there needs to be a radical look at bike expenses - all through the recent years, one group we've never heard pleading poverty are the engine tuners.

 

David Howe's simple suggestion regarding tyres is one that needs to be fully explored. The knock on benefits of a simple change seem many fold: less wear & tear on engines, slow up racing a little making it closer & safer being a few.

 

Whatever the league(s) structure, the flannel needs to be cut away. One opening challenge match, straight into the league campaign, playoffs (Craven Shield / Challenge Trophy other post season competitions if teams want them rather than forced into them)..

 

With a North/South divide before Play Offs? I know it’s an idea previously floated which a lot of people don’t always seem to enthusiastic about.

 

But looking at the North and Berwick and Workington in particular, the possible removal of Plymouth and Leicester from the fixture list opens up two more Saturday nights which in turn helps with fixture stability, same case clubs “on tour” don’t then need to miss a race night in the summer to recover from a 3 day jaunt etc.

 

The idea of “North v South” could also help create a culture for the Play Offs where the opposition provides genuine novelty.

 

Say Berwick v Somerset, possibly Somersets only visit up North then attracts 20 or 30 fans from surrounding clubs to what should already be, in theory an above average attendance given it is a Play Off meeting.

 

In turn the “meaningful” league meetings like Redcar v Newcastle when both are in the hunt come the end of “league fixtures” offer fans even more an incentive to attend than say Newcastle v Rye House with both sides needing a win to make the Play Offs.

 

This winter could prove that the “powers that be” do have a rough idea what is going on, the “3 year plan” to bring the leagues closer together could be prove to be a worthwhile exercise this winter.

Edited September 26, 2012 by wjm

[Mr Snackette]

ippo , elite league wooden spooners, to premier league loosers cup hopefuls. people in glass houses , should not throw stons.

 

Not throwing any stones old boy.

 

I'm just pleased to be following a promotion that can balance the books and continue in business.

[Taylorj]

Well if you are running a business and losing money - £3k per meeting according to YOUR promoter - then clearly expenses are exceeding income. You don't have to be a genius to work out that a team has been put together that the promoter really can't afford......it really isn't rocket science!!!!! However you clearly struggle with simple mathematics, still you may have some time on your hands next season to improve your understanding on the three Rs!!!!!

 

I certainly don't delight at any promotion's troubles and I don't believe you can find any evidence to back up your vituperative claims.

 

If being a loser means that I'm a fan that's pretty certain to be watching their team next season...then a loser I am. I'm not sure that too many others will agree though!!!!!!!!

So there's two digs at Worky not being around next season , please concentrate on getting your own Ipswich 2013 thread back up to 100pages and put us out of our misery on here , I'l say no more on this because you really are not worth getting banned for , one thing I have learnt over the last few posts is "Do not feed the troll"

[Gazc]

Agree it is nothing more than a losers cup, andI have never suggested it's anything else.

 

However it's far better being in that, than putting together a team together that the promoter clearly can't afford, and being a here today gone tomorrow set up!!!!

 

Now that is the definition of a loser!!!!!!!!!

 

Do you set out to make yourself as unpopular as possible, or does it come naturally.

[BNFLComets]

What does vituperative mean?

[Backless]

What does vituperative mean?

 

Its Latin, and means that you're the recipient of an excess of patronising cobblers.

[justathought]

Its Latin, and means that you're the recipient of an excess of patronising cobblers.

 

Classic

[Gazc]

Do you set out to make yourself as unpopular as possible, or does it come naturally.

 

Unlike some on here and after the positive new's regarding my club on potential new owners in this week's Speedway Star i hope that the next positive noises we get are from Workington, wether on new owners or current one seeing the potential in Cumbria.

 

The crowd levels on previous visit's to Derwent Park were the envy off most and the Fan base i am sure is still there , there has been a lot said on different thing's regarding the dwindling crowds but one thing for certain is that all this must be put to one side and i am sure the real fans will support there club.

 

We need a strong Workington as the Northern clubs have benefitted from large number's off comet's fan's visiting for year's , reality is most if not all northern based clubs need each other to generate the required interest both from a financial point & atmosphere point , As a Glasgow fan i am pleased we have hopefully made progress in securing our future and hope Workington are next and all Northern Club's can prosper feeding off each other

[scaramanga]

Unlike some on here and after the positive new's regarding my club on potential new owners in this week's Speedway Star i hope that the next positive noises we get are from Workington, wether on new owners or current one seeing the potential in Cumbria.

 

The crowd levels on previous visit's to Derwent Park were the envy off most and the Fan base i am sure is still there , there has been a lot said on different thing's regarding the dwindling crowds but one thing for certain is that all this must be put to one side and i am sure the real fans will support there club.

 

We need a strong Workington as the Northern clubs have benefitted from large number's off comet's fan's visiting for year's , reality is most if not all northern based clubs need each other to generate the required interest both from a financial point & atmosphere point , As a Glasgow fan i am pleased we have hopefully made progress in securing our future and hope Workington are next and all Northern Club's can prosper feeding off each other

well said and i know i see workington fans at away matches that dont go to derwent park anymore so you are right when you say there are fans still there even if they dont go

[Paulco]

well said and i know i see workington fans at away matches that dont go to derwent park anymore so you are right when you say there are fans still there even if they dont go

Correct . Workington and Glasgow have had a competative , and not always friendly , rivalry over the last 10 years or so . However the prospect of no Tigers/Comets clashes at Ashfield or Derwent Park next season is unthinkable . Hopefully solutions for both clubs to run next year can be found and it's business as normal .

[Gift]

well said and i know i see workington fans at away matches that dont go to derwent park anymore so you are right when you say there are fans still there even if they dont go

Interesting post on so many levels. Approximately how many workington fans do you see at away matches that don't go to derwent park?

[jenga]

dont think scarra has that many fingers and toes.

[Gift]

dont think scarra has that many fingers and toes.

Thank you Jenga for that insight. However, Scarra will have a cerebrum that enables him to count, so I'll leave it to him/her/them to give me the answer Comets fans need - rather than diversionary responses. I am genuinely interested.

[scaramanga]

Thank you Jenga for that insight. However, Scarra will have a cerebrum that enables him to count, so I'll leave it to him/her/them to give me the answer Comets fans need - rather than diversionary responses. I am genuinely interested.

i will say i see 2 different groups that were regulars at derwent park but havnt been for 3 to 4 years now

sometimes there is only 2 in 1 group but sometimes there could be 5 or 6 another group theres usually a family of 4 all adults and thats just the ones i know there are others i recongnise but cant say for sure if they still go to workington as they dont go in the same part of the ground as i do so they could still go but i havnt seen them in the bar like i did years ago but i dont go in the bar now as i go speedway straight from work so its a long day and just want to get home but i always stop for 2nd halfers if there is any

[scaramanga]

looks like there is interest in the comets

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/sport/comets/moss-bay-metals-linked-with-workington-comets-speedway-team-take-over-1.1000043?referrerPath=sport

[Dave_minall]

looks like there is interest in the comets

http://www.newsandst...errerPath=sport

 

Whilst this may be good news, we all know what happens when fathers of ex-riders take over their local track (newport..)

 

lets hope this time things work out for the better.

[Fromafar]

looks like there is interest in the comets

http://www.newsandst...errerPath=sport

Think that would be a good move if it came off,a change of ownership could renew a lot of old fans interest IMO.Denham has had his day best let someone else give it a go.

[scaramanga]

Whilst this may be good news, we all know what happens when fathers of ex-riders take over their local track (newport..)

 

lets hope this time things work out for the better.

harry and craig have turned the northside training track around and saved it from closure and maybe they can do the same for the comets but lets just see how much keith denham wants the comets to continue if he is asking too much for a club hes said hes gonna close then just like the mallets he dosnt want anybody else running "his club"

 

Think that would be a good move if it came off,a change of ownership could renew a lot of old fans interest IMO.Denham has had his day best let someone else give it a go.

keiths hart was in it but his atitude was all wrong for it to succed