Charlieboy Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Dont think its a good idea scrapping the 3rd place bonus,wont do anything for team spirit when team mates are riding against each other.As for the manager,we need somebody experienced not the system we used last year.Cant see it changing though to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I can see a fair few points lost by team mates racing each other and inadvertently screwing each others race up and letting opponents through. The successful partnerships will be those that agree to take it in turns to come second I imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Trouble is you can never plan a race,efs ,falls etc. Personally i think its a bad move.It encourages back handers from the more unscrupulous promoters !!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I can see a fair few points lost by team mates racing each other and inadvertently screwing each others race up and letting opponents through. The successful partnerships will be those that agree to take it in turns to come second I imagine I am sure most of the Sellafield team WILL finish second most of the time tee hee.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) I am sure most of the Sellafield team WILL finish second most of the time tee hee.. Sellafield? This is the Sheffield thread, not Workington. Edited February 5, 2013 by Cue Ball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I can see a fair few points lost by team mates racing each other and inadvertently screwing each others race up and letting opponents through. The successful partnerships will be those that agree to take it in turns to come second I imagine To me dropping bonus points for 3rd place is wrong but I can't see what you envisage happening. Any promotion worth its salt will surely just pay both riders 1.5 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 To me dropping bonus points for 3rd place is wrong but I can't see what you envisage happening. Any promotion worth its salt will surely just pay both riders 1.5 points. The trouble there is it throws up a rider scoring more points but getting paid fir less. A pair with 3 rides together get 3 drawn heats with the same rider 2ndeach time. In the heats they are apart rider 1 is last so scores 6 and is paid for 4.5. Rider 2 picks up a 2nd scores 5 and is paid for 6.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graz gp Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Why has it been changed. Is it just to save money. I can't see any other reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Why has it been changed. Is it just to save money. I can't see any other reason. In itself, that's not a bad reason. The wrong way to go about it though. The trouble there is it throws up a rider scoring more points but getting paid fir less. A pair with 3 rides together get 3 drawn heats with the same rider 2ndeach time. In the heats they are apart rider 1 is last so scores 6 and is paid for 4.5. Rider 2 picks up a 2nd scores 5 and is paid for 6.5. So what? I mean what difference does that make to anyone? How many pound coins a rider takes home is no-ones business other than the rider. Chances are they're on different pay rates anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 In itself, that's not a bad reason. The wrong way to go about it though. So what? I mean what difference does that make to anyone? How many pound coins a rider takes home is no-ones business other than the rider. Chances are they're on different pay rates anyway. It makes a difference to the rider. Would it be right for 2 riders on the same pay scale and for 1 to score more yet get paid less? Just because their pay is their business doesnt mean it isnt a valid discussion point particularly when it could impact the team performance which is every fans business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Dont think its a good idea scrapping the 3rd place bonus,wont do anything for team spirit when team mates are riding against each other.As for the manager,we need somebody experienced not the system we used last year.Cant see it changing though to be honest. Is it any different ro both riders wanting the one point on offer when they are losing a heat 5 - 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Is it any different ro both riders wanting the one point on offer when they are losing a heat 5 - 1? I think riders should be paid on the number of opposition riders they beat, not team mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 It makes a difference to the rider. Would it be right for 2 riders on the same pay scale and for 1 to score more yet get paid less? Just because their pay is their business doesnt mean it isnt a valid discussion point particularly when it could impact the team performance which is every fans business. Team performance didn't come into your first post, but feel free to change tack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Team performance didn't come into your first post, but feel free to change tack No change of tack just an expansion. The whole debate doesnt have to be in one post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Is it any different ro both riders wanting the one point on offer when they are losing a heat 5 - 1? Probably not because it didnt encourage our team riding last year.My thought was if say steady and jake were on a 3-3 then steady could protect him without losing money.If they were losing a 5-1 then you would just expect steady to be 3rd trying to pass the opponents !!!! According to hoggy steady is in the team to help the new lads so when on a 3-3 its not going to happen,he will just chase the win imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 The trouble there is it throws up a rider scoring more points but getting paid fir less. A pair with 3 rides together get 3 drawn heats with the same rider 2ndeach time. In the heats they are apart rider 1 is last so scores 6 and is paid for 4.5. Rider 2 picks up a 2nd scores 5 and is paid for 6.5. That is true but if it is made clear to the riders what the score will be at the start of the season I don't see it being an issue. To me, its better to do that than have home riders racing each other or destroying (to a degree at least) the concept of team riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graz gp Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Good opener. Ashworth booked as guest. I think he might like to beat Steady. Will be very interesting. Bit of pressure on Steady. But i think he is good enough. Roll on the 28th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 That is true but if it is made clear to the riders what the score will be at the start of the season I don't see it being an issue. To me, its better to do that than have home riders racing each other or destroying (to a degree at least) the concept of team riding. Tend to agree although plenty of deals were already agreed before the change was announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Seems that the ruling is being ignored already with riders deals still including bonus points as before, just depends on who you ride for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifordukesfan Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Doesn't seem to be much interest or opinion in the opening fixture ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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