The Third Man Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Thanks for that Sparky. A good insight. Some people here need to get in touch with the reality of the situation, deal with it, and get behind the team we have. the only problem i can see with this is at least keeping the numbers from last year, if some supporters dont see any improvement in either results or entertainment more could vote with their feet. winning the league has never been a priority for me, winning it twice in 44 years shows this, but i do want to be entertained, and i know you could argue that Richard will provide this, he was nearly a one man show in the PLRC, i think many wanted someone that could offer a little more. i hope i am wrong, and the enthusiasm from Knight and Koppe on thursday night does them a lot of credit, and i hope some people on me can say i told you so, but i am not totally convinced yet. We will all see in March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) You're right of course, but those who were at the STAARs meeting the other night will have heard how parlous the situation is. They have a 3 point strategy for survival. 1. Win at home, 2 build the asset base, 3 control the finances. This season is about guerrilla tactics for survival, and that means winning at home to keep the several hundred more that go to HOME meetings happy.The view shared at STAARs was that you won't get a better rider round Owlerton on an average as low as Richard's (which obviously has the downside of his away form in the past). If this is the last throw of the dice they HAVE to win at home and anything else is a bonus. Not great but reality. Thank you for making this public knowledge, and maybe the Promotion should make it more public knowledge rather than sending out mixed messages, not everyone can or attend the STAARS nights. The reasoning for using Richard Hall is fine if the objective is to win all the home meetings then I think that they have ensure that Richard Hall rides at number 5 at home not at number 4. Lets have a Team Manager that thinks tactically. Edited December 15, 2012 by spin king 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Thanks for that Sparky. A good insight. Some people here need to get in touch with the reality of the situation, deal with it, and get behind the team we have. The reality of the situation is that a poor team was responsible for the disastrous drop in gates last season, but that seems to have been repeated. I'd say there is a doubt whether that team is good enough to win at home on the scale needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 If richard halls form at home was that good why was he not used at no.5 and riding in heat 13 against the opposing heat leaders ? instead he was at no.4 riding in heat 14 a much easier heat therefore inflating his average !!!! this from a rider who stated at the start of the season that he wanted to be no.1.he achieved that having more easier races than the other heat leaders.will it be the same next season if him and wells sign.? personally iwould rather have dak north or heffenbrock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo34 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Thank you for making this public knowledge, and maybe the Promotion should make it more public knowledge rather than sending out mixed messages, not everyone can or attend the STAARS nights. The reasoning for using Richard Hall is fine if the objective is to win all the home meetings then I think that they have ensure that Richard Hall rides at number 5 at home not at number 4. Lets have a Team Manager that thinks tactically. I heard that Richard Hall would only ride at number 4 last season (was it in his contract?). If that was the case it doesn't allow a team manager to think tactically. No rider should be able to dictate in that fashion - it is imperative that the team manager should have a free hand regarding positions in the team, tactical and heat 15 rides. I would also add that Hugh Skidmore was vilified for refusing to ride in Heat 15 at Somerset. He himself told me that the reason was that he did not have a bike fit to ride. This apparently was ignored by the powers that be on the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I heard that Richard Hall would only ride at number 4 last season (was it in his contract?). If that was the case it doesn't allow a team manager to think tactically. No rider should be able to dictate in that fashion - it is imperative that the team manager should have a free hand regarding positions in the team, tactical and heat 15 rides. I would also add that Hugh Skidmore was vilified for refusing to ride in Heat 15 at Somerset. He himself told me that the reason was that he did not have a bike fit to ride. This apparently was ignored by the powers that be on the night. not for the last time, there seemed to be a complete lack of understanding from the team managers last season on a few matters. as SK said a team manager that can manage and not bow to the whims of individuals is a must, but when did we last have a real team manager? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Republican Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 when did we last have a real team manager? I was on the point of replying Frank Varey, until I remembered one of our ex-riders. John Dews! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friddy75 Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 When did we last have a real team manager? 2011 Eric Boocock, when we also had a good competitive team, a good presenter and better crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 When did we last have a real team manager? 2011 Eric Boocock, when we also had a good competitive team, a good presenter and better crowds. have to disagree i am afraid, i was thinking of terry thornhill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 have to disagree i am afraid, i was thinking of terry thornhill The last time I saw Terry he was driving buses. There is a Team Manager stood on the terraces every Thursday who I think would do a good job. Jack Lee. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 The last time I saw Terry he was driving buses. There is a Team Manager stood on the terraces every Thursday who I think would do a good job. Jack Lee. Or Berwick reject Dave Peet if you want to add to the doom and gloom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nora Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think spinny should be manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.w Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 So are we realistically looking at Hall and Wells as the last spots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) The last time I saw Terry he was driving buses. There is a Team Manager stood on the terraces every Thursday who I think would do a good job. Jack Lee. and someone else who is there most Thursdays, Garry Stead Edited December 16, 2012 by The Third Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.w Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I agree, I think Garry would make an excellent manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 and someone else who is there most Thursdays, Garry Stead I think Garry has said in the past that he does not want a Team Managers role and has now got a business manufacturing speedway clothing so maybe he would be off the radar. But would agree that if he was interested would be an excellent choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think I read in the Speedway Star last year-ish that Garry would like to get involved in a more "technical" role rather than being an actual team manager.. not sure if what Spinny says about a business changes that but I'd like to see him involved in that way alongside 1 team manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I would have loved soon as Sean retired to get him in as team manager or Garry Stead now etc anybody except what we have had to put up with in last few seasons, even Boocock was dodgy at times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILKO Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think Sheffield should make OILYRAG the team manager. He would sign all the best riders and make all the right tactical changes. Have a great Christmas one and all, see you in March. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Has to be Squall for Team Manager. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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