StevePark Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Agree we have to keep to a budget. But we were told when Stead was signed that it was the biggest deal in the clubs history. So why sign one rider on the biggest deal and then try to tempt another one back on less money than last year when he's already said he lost money riding for us. Should of spread the money out between the team and not just on one rider. Depends on what is meant by 'biggest deal'. It may not mean financially (not saying it is, or it isn't, as I don't know). Fans were crying out for an out-and-out number one. They have (potentally) got that, but at a cost to the rest of the team by the looks of it (as you point out). I don't think you can have it both ways in the current financial climate. On the Ricky Wells point. I believe all riders are meant to have taken a cut on what they earned per point last year. Wells won't be the only one dissapointed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 So if no Wells take your pick from: Hall & Franc Hall & Nedermark Hall & Sanchez Hall & Schramm Hall & Hawkins Hall & Wilson Hall & Mills Hall & Allott Hall & Jakobsen For me it has to be Hall & Wells You missed out Hall and Oates!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 If the finances are not there in the first place, how can they spend 'big'? If you 'over spend' you run the risk of not running at all the following year, surely? It's not like 'the old days' anymore. Simply put - The promoters haven't got the money they used to have, the fans haven't got the money they used to have, the sponsors haven't got the money they used to have. Every promoter has to build their team within a budget. Some will have a bigger budget than others, that has never changed. As always, you make fair point but................. The one lesson that Sheffield 2012 taught speedway is that if you go too much the other way its just as disastrous. Make no mistake about it, the heavy financial losses incurred by Sheffield last season were primarily due to a poor team line up and fans turning their back on the speedway in their hundreds. To me (and I'd be the first to admit its not my money at risk) its a matter of balance and I'd say the Tigers have got it badly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Forget Sheffield finances for a moment and forget whether you think Ricky Wells is worth the same money as last season or more. Why did the Promotion approach him with an offer of reduced terms, after he stated at the end of the season that he had lost money riding for Sheffield, what did they think the answer would be. If we have a budget then fair enough, but why approach a rider with reduced terms from last season after he has claimed he lost money, why not approach other riders with those terms. I must have missed this; but where is it stated that the promotion offered him reduced terms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I must have missed this; but where is it stated that the promotion offered him reduced terms? http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/speedway/i-m-not-greedy-says-track-ace-1-5266952 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Forget Sheffield finances for a moment and forget whether you think Ricky Wells is worth the same money as last season or more. Setting aside the ludicrous nature of the first part of the sentence, the answer is "less". Why would he be worth "the same money or more"? He was frankly a disgrace in the early part of the season, scoring double figures for Wolves & a handful or less for Sheffield. So, eventually he started scoing the points that were expected of him. So what? He was doing that from Day One at Wolves. In the Elite League. He established his average the year before at Plymouth, on a track that most of the visitors had never seen before & one much more like those in Califonia. Presumably he went to Sheffield last year to broaden his experience, make himself a better rider (&, as rumour would have it, get paid on time). Guess what? It wasn't as easy as he thought. So after underperforming he thinks he should be on (presumably) more money than last year? Get real. Get by on your Wolves money in that case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) I take it Wells must be a fan of The Smiths, seems to be of the assumption that England is his and it owes him a living. If he likes the place, the fans, and the club so much, maybe he should think about their tomorrow as well as his? He is already having his “loss of earnings” subsidized by….another team place in England. I have some degree of sympathy with riders when they point out the financial strains on them, I am struggling in this instance. Edited January 4, 2013 by wjm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geepeeargh Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 If he gets a job with another PL team then we can safely say the pay cap has gone out of the window... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 If he gets a job with another PL team then we can safely say the pay cap has gone out of the window... like its done with a few riders already, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Setting aside the ludicrous nature of the first part of the sentence, the answer is "less". Why would he be worth "the same money or more"? He was frankly a disgrace in the early part of the season, scoring double figures for Wolves & a handful or less for Sheffield. So, eventually he started scoing the points that were expected of him. So what? He was doing that from Day One at Wolves. In the Elite League. He established his average the year before at Plymouth, on a track that most of the visitors had never seen before & one much more like those in Califonia. Presumably he went to Sheffield last year to broaden his experience, make himself a better rider (&, as rumour would have it, get paid on time). Guess what? It wasn't as easy as he thought. So after underperforming he thinks he should be on (presumably) more money than last year? Get real. Get by on your Wolves money in that case. Where have I said that he is worth the same deal or more. I am asking why are the club pursuing a rider who said he lost money last season at Sheffield offer him less money than last season. Its not rocket science that he was or will turn down the deal. So as I said in the previous post if the club has a budget, why offer a rider a deal that it was obvious that he was going to turn down, to me it just seems a waste of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Who in their right mind would ride for less than the previous season especially after losing money ? Ricky had rode wolverhampton previously the year before so had set ups etc already for last season.He came to sheffield which is totally diffrent track and had to learn it just as our new lads have to this season.The more worrying thing for me is if we dont sign him who are we going to get in.? The options are slim to say the least.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Who in their right mind would ride for less than the previous season especially after losing money ? You may not be aware that there's a recession. It seems to be quite popular - more & more people are becoming involved and doing just that - deciding between working harder for the same (or less) and not working at all. Wells is self employed. If it took him most of last year to set himself up, then he isn't the rider he thinks he is. If he wants experience - training in his profession in other words - he needs to wake up if he thinks he's going to make a profit while doing it. The sport is on it's ass because for too long promoters have paid out too much. Reality kicking in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Who in their right mind would ride for less than the previous season especially after losing money ? Do you no for a fact he has been offered less money,with a 0.01 increase in his average he for sure doesnt deserve a rise!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Yes i agree we are in a recession but is it right to offer some one less money for risking life and limb to entertain us ? Riders costs escalate every year.It gets beyond a joke.So to take a pay cut then have more potential earnings taken away from you due to not getting 3rd place bonus points is a farce.Because of this stupid rule we will now see team mates racing against each other for an extra few quid,that will do alot for team spirit.If you dont want wells because you obviously arent a fan of him then who do you suggest as a better option ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Do you no for a fact he has been offered less money,with a 0.01 increase in his average he for sure doesnt deserve a rise!!!! Ricky Wells has not asked for the rise, he has said that if he was offered the money he was on last season. My question is why pursue a rider who has stated that he lost money riding for Sheffield and then ask him to sign for less money the following season. Simple economics says that the rider will turn that the deal down, whether he a foreigner or British. The club has a budget for a third heatleader and obviously Ricky was out of there price range so why pursue him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Do you no for a fact he has been offered less money,with a 0.01 increase in his average he for sure doesnt deserve a rise!!!! According to the sheffield star newspaper its true ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graz gp Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 What about Hall. He must have been offered less money than last season, and is holding out for a pay rise I'm only joking. I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 North doesn't have a ride. But could he come over from Australia to live in this country on what he would earn at Sheffield, doubtful unless he gets an Elite league ride to top his income up. Dakota has a Polish team this year, and dont be suprised if he gets a doubling up role at parent club Peterborough this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luluthetiger Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Dakota North starts in the Australian Championship meetings tomorrow (morning, our time) and a good three meetings might well get him back into Britain with a bang! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friddy75 Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Dakota has a Polish team this year, and dont be suprised if he gets a doubling up role at parent club Peterborough this year. I was not aware North had a Polish team. And I wouldn't be shocked if Peterborough signed him this coming season, he was one of the top riders in the premier league towards the end. He also had a good guest ride for Swindon. If I had choice he would be signed along with Wells as our last two riders. My point is if Sheffield can't afford to offer Wells the same deal as last year, what's the chances that North would sign for the same sort of deal on offer? (Sheffield being the only team he'll fit) Like Spin king says, if we can't afford to sign Wells on a deal that he was never going to accept why even try? As for people not wanting Wells because of this or that who do they think will sign for Sheffield for the same sort of deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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