montie Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Whether he is worth it or not, why did Promotion go to rider who public states that he lost money riding in the Premier League last season and allegedly as we only have one side of the story less money. It just does not add up to me. , Thats if they did offer less money Spinny....to be honest i just cant see it...at worse i would say same deal....which you could say looking at his average is fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Thats if they did offer less money Spinny....to be honest i just cant see it...at worse i would say same deal....which you could say looking at his average is fair I guess we will never know the whole truth, I am just hoping that they can come to some sort of comprise, towards the end of the season we start to see what he could really do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trophyman Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 It's not just about winning the league it's about watching exciting speedway at Owlerton. We didn't win the league in 2011 but watching Auty Parker and Ashworth was breathtaking. I think some people might be supprised once the tapes go up. P.S. New Years resolution the glass is half full! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Sorry Halifaxtiger, I don't agree. Wells was signed last season as someone with potential. He started the season on a 6.46 Average and finished it on a 6.47 average!! For most of the season he flattered to deceive. It's not like he was in his first season in the league. If he thinks he's better than what he's being offered then he needs to prove it on the track. He hasn't convinced me at all To be fair, I know a lot of others agree with you. My view is if he can get double figures in the EL he can get them in the PL - there is at least a possibility that he will improve. Compare that with Richard Hall (for example) who has stayed on just about the same average for years and you will see my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Hall will knock in a decent score each week at Sheffield. If the rest of the team had done what was expected of them, there wouldn't have been a problem at home last year. Wells might have potential - but that doesn't put points on the scorecard. His scores in the first two thirds of the season were worse than he was scoring for Wolves - and not by the odd point. He may well have had a decent August & September, but the Sheffield season was over long before then. So he under-performs for most of the year &, in a winter when a lot of riders - including a lot who performed better - are faced with a pay cut, he faces the same. So what? If he doesn't want to progress, he can stay at Wolves - for now. He can be filed under the heading of "another foreigner taking up a place" - just the sort of place that the likes of Ashworth, Howe et al should be filling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Hall will knock in a decent score each week at Sheffield. If the rest of the team had done what was expected of them, there wouldn't have been a problem at home last year. Wells might have potential - but that doesn't put points on the scorecard. His scores in the first two thirds of the season were worse than he was scoring for Wolves - and not by the odd point. He may well have had a decent August & September, but the Sheffield season was over long before then. So he under-performs for most of the year &, in a winter when a lot of riders - including a lot who performed better - are faced with a pay cut, he faces the same. So what? If he doesn't want to progress, he can stay at Wolves - for now. He can be filed under the heading of "another foreigner taking up a place" - just the sort of place that the likes of Ashworth, Howe et al should be filling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friddy75 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) So if no Wells take your pick from: Hall & Franc Hall & Nedermark Hall & Sanchez Hall & Schramm Hall & Hawkins Hall & Wilson Hall & Mills Hall & Allott Hall & Jakobsen For me it has to be Hall & Wells Edited January 3, 2013 by Friddy75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezza Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 So where is Dakota North off to... He was one of the best riders in the league towards the back end of last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friddy75 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 So where is Dakota North off to... He was one of the best riders in the league towards the back end of last season? North doesn't have a ride. But could he come over from Australia to live in this country on what he would earn at Sheffield, doubtful unless he gets an Elite league ride to top his income up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Just speculation on my part, but was the article in the local newspaper about Wells wanting more money done in the hope of attracting some sponsorship for him?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 more than likely but i am sorry sponsors are going to be like fans and say i am not wasting my money on this sorry bunch of riders, note to promotion like every other club out there, put the best team together possible like we flaming used to, then the fans will be buzzing and if we get on a good run sponsors might be a bit more interested. end of day to make money sometimes you have to spend some as well, how we have gone from one of leading clubs to this i don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Just speculation on my part, but was the article in the local newspaper about Wells wanting more money done in the hope of attracting some sponsorship for him?? did stead or the club not say the same before he signed?? Is he getting most the budget so tin pot riders have to fill in the gaps or take a cut as wells says.??...strange. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 more than likely but i am sorry sponsors are going to be like fans and say i am not wasting my money on this sorry bunch of riders, note to promotion like every other club out there, put the best team together possible like we flaming used to, then the fans will be buzzing and if we get on a good run sponsors might be a bit more interested. end of day to make money sometimes you have to spend some as well, how we have gone from one of leading clubs to this i don't know. If the finances are not there in the first place, how can they spend 'big'? If you 'over spend' you run the risk of not running at all the following year, surely? It's not like 'the old days' anymore. Simply put - The promoters haven't got the money they used to have, the fans haven't got the money they used to have, the sponsors haven't got the money they used to have. Every promoter has to build their team within a budget. Some will have a bigger budget than others, that has never changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the muck man Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 If the finances are not there in the first place, how can they spend 'big'? If you 'over spend' you run the risk of not running at all the following year, surely? It's not like 'the old days' anymore. Simply put - The promoters haven't got the money they used to have, the fans haven't got the money they used to have, the sponsors haven't got the money they used to have. Every promoter has to build their team within a budget. Some will have a bigger budget than others, that has never changed. Agree with what u say it also hard for the riders the costs of maintaining 2 sometimes 3 bikes is alot the cost of this never get any less they rise every season but the riders payments per point stay the same or reduced in some cases this is why alot of riders are finding it hard to servive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msc1874 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I think that all clubs have to live within their means. If we think back to the successful Sheffield sides of Sean Wilson, Andre Compton, Simon stead first time around. Supplemented with decent guys like lee Complin, Simon Cartwright etc, with the odd foreigner to supplement that. But you look at that top 3 I mentioned top riders, but all English and probably not expensive travel wise, scored massive points made Sheffield hard nut to crack. Maybe not enough English riders of this ilk and inferior foreign riders who want big bucks who could not lace Sean Wilson s boots. Just maybe not enough too end home grown talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Forget Sheffield finances for a moment and forget whether you think Ricky Wells is worth the same money as last season or more. Why did the Promotion approach him with an offer of reduced terms, after he stated at the end of the season that he had lost money riding for Sheffield, what did they think the answer would be. If we have a budget then fair enough, but why approach a rider with reduced terms from last season after he has claimed he lost money, why not approach other riders with those terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Forget Sheffield finances for a moment and forget whether you think Ricky Wells is worth the same money as last season or more. Why did the Promotion approach him with an offer of reduced terms, after he stated at the end of the season that he had lost money riding for Sheffield, what did they think the answer would be. If we have a budget then fair enough, but why approach a rider with reduced terms from last season after he has claimed he lost money, why not approach other riders with those terms. i would think the answer to that is simple ,they payed him over the odds last year beliving he would be no 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 In this week's comic - Ricky Wells and Richard Hall have been earmarked for the last 2 places in the team, but David Hoggart said all was quiet over the Christmas break. 'Ricky is back in America right now. The Christmas holidays have delayed things slightly but I don't see any reason to worry. We will talk again early in January and hope we can finalise things from there'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friddy75 Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 If the finances are not there in the first place, how can they spend 'big'? If you 'over spend' you run the risk of not running at all the following year, surely? It's not like 'the old days' anymore. Simply put - The promoters haven't got the money they used to have, the fans haven't got the money they used to have, the sponsors haven't got the money they used to have. Every promoter has to build their team within a budget. Some will have a bigger budget than others, that has never changed. Agree we have to keep to a budget. But we were told when Stead was signed that it was the biggest deal in the clubs history. So why sign one rider on the biggest deal and then try to tempt another one back on less money than last year when he's already said he lost money riding for us. Should of spread the money out between the team and not just on one rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msc1874 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I am not a tigers fan. But I do like Ricky Wells, a good racer and a character to boot. I don't know exactly what the ins and outs of the new deal wells had been offered, but the promotion obviously have a budget and are sticking too it. Ricky has to make racing pay, so there must be some middle ground. Some would argue if Ricky scored more upped his average his earnings would increase. I guess riders would argue that if they don't score they don't earn. If they don't earn what they deem to be a proper wage they cannot reinvest in keeping their equipment competitive and therefore can't compete to the level they aspire, u totally understand where both parties are coming from. I also understand the fans frustrations. Since the advent of the reformatted PL in 1997 Sheffield were always challengers. Prior to that the club holds a massive history. I live visiting Sheffield and fans are great to chat to. Before I remember as a monarchs fan going to Shef... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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