Shadders Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 In my opinion the play offs are a waste of time & Dudley are rightfully the National League Champions. It's like the format in most sport nowdays that not the best overall is crowned champions because of a one off game that they might loose. Take the individual finals, the best rider can beat everyone in the 20 heats leading upto the final and then blow it in the shoot out. It's a complete farce. Am I the only Rye House fan celebrating our 2007 play off final win that felt "this just ain't right"? We actually finished outside the play off places after Birmingham sneaked into 4th after the cut off date. It still bothers me that someone can go through the card unbeaten, then fall foul of a mechanical failure in the final and end up with nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 In my opinion the play offs are a waste of time & Dudley are rightfully the National League Champions. It's like the format in most sport nowdays that not the best overall is crowned champions because of a one off game that they might loose. Take the individual finals, the best rider can beat everyone in the 20 heats leading upto the final and then blow it in the shoot out. It's a complete farce. Not at all,in the NL you dont always have the riders available to ride,work,Prem league and even schools exams,the play offs give everyone a chance to make it and keep the season alive,especially when you have such a wide range of clubs like we do in the NL, Take the play off final last year in the NL,the two legs produced fantasic racing,down to the wire drama and good crowds,why loose that from a sport which can be failry dull at times Without the play offs,this years NL was over by June,yet with them,now Mildenhall are in the box seat i think and this week Rye had something important to race for home and away,,great stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted September 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Play off,s .one race winner final s,, none of this is fair,, But promoters think building every thing to a one off winner takes all is good box office..That may be right ,but one thing it is not ,,is fair!!!! Fairness is of no consequence when money is involved ,,Fact of life im afraid... Edited September 17, 2012 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Play of,s .one race final s none of this is fair But promoters think building every thing to a one off winner takes all is good box office..That may be right ,but one thing it is not ,,is fair!!!! so first you say they arnt fair then complain the the cut off date needs extending to get Rye House in them?? Thought you wanted more rides and meetings for young British riders???? Team of young brits like the rockets,a team you have complained about,written off completely are now in the play offs and on form could shock anyone,brilliant!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted September 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Sure if thats the way it is now, i want the fairest outcome to the existing format ,,Does not mean that i advocate Play off,s and winner takes all finals ...If the league winners were just that league champions,,then you could have a .play off champs as a seperate competition ,,now that would be fair..Secondly i complained about us sending half a team to take on the mighty Dudley which was a farce.. Edited September 17, 2012 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Team of young brits like the rockets,a team you have complained about,written off completely are now in the play offs and on form could shock anyone,brilliant!!!! They're in the play offs atm but every chance won't be after Wednesday... Considering the RH vs. Stoke NL 'return' is as soon after Wednesday as three days later, one can't blame Raiders' fans from feeling somewhat peeved at a deadline day being set (somewhat arbitrarily it would seem..) at the 19th..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 They're in the play offs atm but every chance won't be after Wednesday... Considering the RH vs. Stoke NL 'return' is as soon after Wednesday as three days later, one can't blame Raiders' fans from feeling somewhat peeved at a deadline day being set (somewhat arbitrarily it would seem..) at the 19th..! They should run that one on saturday and have cut of date the same as the PL, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted September 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 They should run that one on saturday and have cut of date the same as the PL, We agree on something then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Not at all,in the NL you dont always have the riders available to ride,work,Prem league and even schools exams,the play offs give everyone a chance to make it and keep the season alive,especially when you have such a wide range of clubs like we do in the NL, Take the play off final last year in the NL,the two legs produced fantasic racing,down to the wire drama and good crowds,why loose that from a sport which can be failry dull at times Without the play offs,this years NL was over by June,yet with them,now Mildenhall are in the box seat i think and this week Rye had something important to race for home and away,,great stuff I don't understand the logic here. Unavailability due to work, PL etc etc could still be a factor when the play offs are taking place, so how does it make it fairer? Don't get me wrong, just because I'm a Dudley supporter, I don't particularly want it to end now because we have had far too few meetings this year. But exactly the same applies in the play offs as the rest of the season. Edited September 17, 2012 by villiers210 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I don't understand the logic here. Unavailability due to work, PL etc etc could still be a factor when the play offs are taking place, so how does it make it fairer? Don't get me wrong, just because I'm a Dudley supporter, I don't particularly want it to end now because we have had far too few meetings this year. But exactly the same applies in the play offs as the rest of the season. Not at all,look at last year,Scunny crippled by riders success [PL Places],sneaked into play offs,full team out for the play offs and the rest is history[and there aint any exams in Otober ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Doesn't alter the fact that PL commitments dictates that you cannot guarantee full teams for the NL play offs. Just like you can't guarantee it at ant time of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Doesn't alter the fact that PL commitments dictates that you cannot guarantee full teams for the NL play offs. Just like you can't guarantee it at ant time of the season. Would that be why The Heathens signed Joe, as oposed to another popular PL rider, ie possible PL play off & Cup comps, whereas Joe won,t have that problem riding for Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Would that be why The Heathens signed Joe, as oposed to another popular PL rider, ie possible PL play off & Cup comps, whereas Joe won,t have that problem riding for Sheffield. Very likely, and for that reason alone, a very wise choice. Why not sign the best that is going to be available for all possible fixtures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Very likely, and for that reason alone, a very wise choice. Why not sign the best that is going to be available for all possible fixtures? And tbf, Haines was to replace Roynon... VERY difficult to replace best rider in the league by a country mile! Solution to PL commitment clashes in P/Os is to stage on race days/nights where there's no clash... I think we'll be seeing this happen this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Play off,s .one race winner final s,, none of this is fair,, But promoters think building every thing to a one off winner takes all is good box office..That may be right ,but one thing it is not ,,is fair!!!! Fairness is of no consequence when money is involved ,,Fact of life im afraid... You have to agree that the play off final last year kept everyone on the edge of their seats Scunthorpe going to Mildenhall with a massive lead and everyone predicting the win for Scunny but no one had told mildenhall and it ended up with a point in it :-) If Blackbird hadn't taken Birks out (I think) in the first run of Ht 15 and got excluded who knows. Lets hope we get the same this year. Whoever is in it !!!!!!!!!!!! Edited September 17, 2012 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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