luluthetiger Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 One down, one to go........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heather21 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Glad Harley has been accepted. He seems so chuffed, and guess what...he likes the cold!!! so no whinging about the inevitable weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 It's tough enough without all the hassle. Lets hope this season doesn't suffer from so many rainoffs&injuries. It's sad that Speedway can't get more fans through the gate,as it is a spectacle to watch and you can interact with the riders and be so very close to the action. The new promotion want it to be a success and lets hope it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 i don't understand why the mc don't publish the reasons behind their decisions, as some have said there may be valid reasons for denying joey but tell us what they are. that is the majn problem i have with the mc as everything seems shrouded in secrecy. Â being on the mc will always leave alex and his cronies open to claims of bias but the bottom line is speedway cannot afford an independent panel. these guys put a lot of work and effort and give up so much of their time to speedway for very little reward. if promotions of other teams really think they are biased then vote them out at the agm. this is alex harkess 3rd year as chairman so he must have plenty support. Â Â 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 i don't understand why the mc don't publish the reasons behind their decisions, as some have said there may be valid reasons for denying joey but tell us what they are. that is the majn problem i have with the mc as everything seems shrouded in secrecy. Â being on the mc will always leave alex and his cronies open to claims of bias but the bottom line is speedway cannot afford an independent panel. these guys put a lot of work and effort and give up so much of their time to speedway for very little reward. if promotions of other teams really think they are biased then vote them out at the agm. this is alex harkess 3rd year as chairman so he must have plenty support. i don't understand why the mc don't publish the reasons behind their decisions, as some have said there may be valid reasons for denying joey but tell us what they are. that is the majn problem i have with the mc as everything seems shrouded in secrecy. Â being on the mc will always leave alex and his cronies open to claims of bias but the bottom line is speedway cannot afford an independent panel. these guys put a lot of work and effort and give up so much of their time to speedway for very little reward. if promotions of other teams really think they are biased then vote them out at the agm. this is alex harkess 3rd year as chairman so he must have plenty support. Agree,simply put the reason for refusal in print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msc1874 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Â Agree,simply put the reason for refusal in print. Â If you don't say then you can move the goalposts. If there was a clear checklist, explicit and if you never met one, you never got a visa. But it's so ambiguous. If a clear statement was made then I am sure people would be more willing to accept things. But it's just a bit Micky mouse in terms of professionalism from the mc in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 If you don't say then you can move the goalposts. If there was a clear checklist, explicit and if you never met one, you never got a visa. But it's so ambiguous. If a clear statement was made then I am sure people would be more willing to accept things. But it's just a bit Micky mouse in terms of professionalism from the mc in my eyes If you don't say then you can move the goalposts. If there was a clear checklist, explicit and if you never met one, you never got a visa. But it's so ambiguous. If a clear statement was made then I am sure people would be more willing to accept things. But it's just a bit Micky mouse in terms of professionalism from the mc in my eyes I think the sport lacks professionalism in the way it has been run, but for some reason seems to think everything is fine which IMO is misguided .There will be a number of fans from various Clubs wondering what the future holds if things dont pick up after last season which was a disaster in terms of Weather and Crowd levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) i don't understand why the mc don't publish the reasons behind their decisions, as some have said there may be valid reasons for denying joey but tell us what they are. that is the majn problem i have with the mc as everything seems shrouded in secrecy. Â being on the mc will always leave alex and his cronies open to claims of bias but the bottom line is speedway cannot afford an independent panel. these guys put a lot of work and effort and give up so much of their time to speedway for very little reward. if promotions of other teams really think they are biased then vote them out at the agm. this is alex harkess 3rd year as chairman so he must have plenty support. Â As you suggest, transparency of decisions will negate the conspiracy theories. Simples. Edited January 19, 2013 by george.m 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I think the sport lacks professionalism in the way it has been run, but for some reason seems to think everything is fine which IMO is misguided . Â Speedway at PL level is an amateur sport. A few of the top guys are full time but for many others it is their hobby that they fit in with a normal job. It is a once a week summer only sport run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts and teams/clubs are much like Not for Profit Organisations in that if they break even for that year it is a success. I'll leave others to comment on the EL. Â Committee's are often not the best way to run things however it is either that supervisory structure or nothing, speedway simply doesn't generate enough money or profit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Speedway at PL level is an amateur sport. A few of the top guys are full time but for many others it is their hobby that they fit in with a normal job. It is a once a week summer only sport run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts and teams/clubs are much like Not for Profit Organisations in that if they break even for that year it is a success. I'll leave others to comment on the EL. Â Committee's are often not the best way to run things however it is either that supervisory structure or nothing, speedway simply doesn't generate enough money or profit. Speedway at PL level is an amateur sport. A few of the top guys are full time but for many others it is their hobby that they fit in with a normal job. It is a once a week summer only sport run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts and teams/clubs are much like Not for Profit Organisations in that if they break even for that year it is a success. I'll leave others to comment on the EL. Â Committee's are often not the best way to run things however it is either that supervisory structure or nothing, speedway simply doesn't generate enough money or profit. There are a few riders making decenr money for a sport that you suggest is amatuer at PL level.On saying that most Promotions would settle for a break even situation regarding finance at the end of a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 i don't understand why the mc don't publish the reasons behind their decisions, as some have said there may be valid reasons for denying joey but tell us what they are. that is the majn problem i have with the mc as everything seems shrouded in secrecy. Â being on the mc will always leave alex and his cronies open to claims of bias but the bottom line is speedway cannot afford an independent panel. these guys put a lot of work and effort and give up so much of their time to speedway for very little reward. if promotions of other teams really think they are biased then vote them out at the agm. this is alex harkess 3rd year as chairman so he must have plenty support. Â This is Alex Harkess 's 4th year in charge. Â For someone who people claim to such a rubbish job in the sport, he seems to have the backing of other promoters as voted on a chairman for his second 3 year term. also seems to be a well respected character with a role in the FIM . Â I dont think this is an easy job to do, every time something doesn't go a teams way, he gets the flack. Â Think the reason the mc don't reply on here, is it open a can of worms (so to speak). Â Somethings should be kept between promotions and who's to say that glasgow's announcement on there website , was true to there word. I mean if you have made a mistake on finding out if they qualify for a work permit. Think an easy way out blame the BSPA. Â But then again will the truth every come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 i don't understand why the mc don't publish the reasons behind their decisions, as some have said there may be valid reasons for denying joey but tell us what they are. that is the majn problem i have with the mc as everything seems shrouded in secrecy. Â being on the mc will always leave alex and his cronies open to claims of bias but the bottom line is speedway cannot afford an independent panel. these guys put a lot of work and effort and give up so much of their time to speedway for very little reward. if promotions of other teams really think they are biased then vote them out at the agm. this is alex harkess 3rd year as chairman so he must have plenty support. Great post Scotchopper . Speedway is riddled with the secret sam stuff and it is now in the best interests of everybody to have more clarity , plus having a governing body run by the very people decisions will have an impact on doesn't help the paranoia . Glasgow fans , well a section of them , feel aggreived as they feel the BSPA has some sort of bias against them . There was the brushing under the carpet of the Bellego ownership argument , which eventually went against us . There was the refusal to let us switch to a Friday racenight and now we have another battle to fight to have the 7 riders signed actually allowed to get to the tapes wearing the stripes . Having the BSPA chairman promoting at our greatest rivals only adds fuel to the paranoid flame when decisions go against us . I'm in no doubt any bias against us exists only in our imagination , but it's easy to see why there is a feeling of the world being against us when these issues arise . I fear the appeal against the decision to refuse Joey Ringwood will go against us next week , which will spark off yet another outburst of outrage . For that reason i hope i'm wrong . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Â Great post Scotchopper . Speedway is riddled with the secret sam stuff and it is now in the best interests of everybody to have more clarity , plus having a governing body run by the very people decisions will have an impact on doesn't help the paranoia . Glasgow fans , well a section of them , feel aggreived as they feel the BSPA has some sort of bias against them . There was the brushing under the carpet of the Bellego ownership argument , which eventually went against us . There was the refusal to let us switch to a Friday racenight and now we have another battle to fight to have the 7 riders signed actually allowed to get to the tapes wearing the stripes . Having the BSPA chairman promoting at our greatest rivals only adds fuel to the paranoid flame when decisions go against us . I'm in no doubt any bias against us exists only in our imagination , but it's easy to see why there is a feeling of the world being against us when these issues arise . I fear the appeal against the decision to refuse Joey Ringwood will go against us next week , which will spark off yet another outburst of outrage . For that reason i hope i'm wrong . Â Paulco, you could well be right about the paranoia but it would be easy to put it to an end, or better still prevent it before it starts. Quite simply the BSPA MC could show respect to the paying public and give a full explanation to them when decisions are made. Â What puts doubts in my mind about the integrity and ability of the MC is the fact that Harley's appeal was successful. FFS what did the MC miss first time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Paulco, you could well be right about the paranoia but it would be easy to put it to an end, or better still prevent it before it starts. Quite simply the BSPA MC could show respect to the paying public and give a full explanation to them when decisions are made. Â What puts doubts in my mind about the integrity and ability of the MC is the fact that Harley's appeal was successful. FFS what did the MC miss first time? It did seem strange the appeal for Horwood was successful in such a short period of time after the initial rejection of his application . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 So at the time....what had the others ie Fricke, koppe and Douglas done to qualify, that the Glasgow pair hadnt?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 So at the time....what had the others ie Fricke, koppe and Douglas done to qualify, that the Glasgow pair hadnt?? don't , it will start all the paranoia off again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Â don't , it will start all the paranoia off again genuine question mate...just wondered if anyone knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 that's the reason for all the argument , there's no clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 OK so why was Horwood's rejection over turned as quickly as it was rejected.............. Â RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 So at the time....what had the others ie Fricke, koppe and Douglas done to qualify, that the Glasgow pair hadnt?? Â you are assuming that the others have sought and gained approval already. i haven't seen anything official about max having all the approvals. i assumed they were waiting for all the state championships etc to be complete before applying as i struggled to see how he qualified as well. obviously that changes now he won last night so if my reasoning is correct they apply tomorrow. Â this is just guessing on my part and i have no idea about any of the others. Â when it comes to harley it did seem odd how quickly the appeal was won unless glasgow were able to point out a result that the mc had missed that made him eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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