yoda Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 So Joey Ringwood has also now been approved. So why did three other rookies get in first time, but the two Tigers had to go to appeals? Its pretty simple , read my previous post or here it is again. If the top 4 are already riding in Britain, the BSPA will look at the other applicants, which they have done on this season. Max Fricke finished 5th in 2 state championship, therefore 1st finisher outside of the 4 already in the uk. The scunny rider, finished 2nd in a state championship so qualified. The two Glasgow riders, well i have checked the speedway website's for them competing in the state championships, and can't find any mention of them in any, But hopefully im proved wrong. there is only 4 riders who applied for work permits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the work permit rules changed a few years ago. Previously there were fairly strict rules that said that a rider had to meet a certain standard and there was no argument about a yes/no decision, as it was based on averages achieved in top leagues or placings in national/state championships....However, the UK government decided to "tighten" up the requirements for a work permit due to the "Daily Mail" perception that there were too many poorly rated immigrants allowed in to take jobs from natives. Now the judgement of merit is placed in the hands of "expert authorities"....For speedway, the BSPA have the say on whether a rider deserves a work permit....As far as I understand things, any rider who wants a work permit just has to please the BSPA rather than have any specific history of results... Having said that, I have also been led to believe that if any official work permit sponsor is shown to be allowing undeserving work permits then they can lose their right to grant any,,,,After the O'Malley appeal and his subsequent failure, it's surely not too much of a shock that the BSPA might have hesitated when being asked to rubber stamp permits for the same club for two riders that had some limited results back in Australia ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luluthetiger Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the work permit rules changed a few years ago. Previously there were fairly strict rules that said that a rider had to meet a certain standard and there was no argument about a yes/no decision, as it was based on averages achieved in top leagues or placings in national/state championships....However, the UK government decided to "tighten" up the requirements for a work permit due to the "Daily Mail" perception that there were too many poorly rated immigrants allowed in to take jobs from natives. Now the judgement of merit is placed in the hands of "expert authorities"....For speedway, the BSPA have the say on whether a rider deserves a work permit....As far as I understand things, any rider who wants a work permit just has to please the BSPA rather than have any specific history of results... Having said that, I have also been led to believe that if any official work permit sponsor is shown to be allowing undeserving work permits then they can lose their right to grant any,,,,After the O'Malley appeal and his subsequent failure, it's surely not too much of a shock that the BSPA might have hesitated when being asked to rubber stamp permits for the same club for two riders that had some limited results back in Australia ... If the process is that clear-cut, can you explain Tyson Nelson and Travis McGowan's not reaching these shores last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 If the process is that clear-cut, can you explain Tyson Nelson and Travis McGowan's not reaching these shores last season? A criminal and a rider who stated in Sweden and to get a permit you have to return to Australia. If either of these riders now fails that's surely it for Glasgow and assessed Aussies after O'Malley failed after appeal in 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 A criminal and a rider who stated in Sweden and to get a permit you have to return to Australia. If either of these riders now fails that's surely it for Glasgow and assessed Aussies after O'Malley failed after appeal in 2012 Don't think you will be to far off the mark with that statement if either flop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Its interesting that everyone concentrates on O'Malley and somehow Campton gets overlooked. There is no way you will ever get 100% success rate but to paint Glasgow as picking duds ALL the time is rather inaccurate. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Its interesting that everyone concentrates on O'Malley and somehow Campton gets overlooked. There is no way you will ever get 100% success rate but to paint Glasgow as picking duds ALL the time is rather inaccurate. Exactly! Nick Morris being a case in point! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Its interesting that everyone concentrates on O'Malley and somehow Campton gets overlooked. There is no way you will ever get 100% success rate but to paint Glasgow as picking duds ALL the time is rather inaccurate. Certainly Josh and Morris would knock that notion, Lioness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Fail to see why everybody only seem to concentrate on Australians who dont make the grade, there are plenty of teams had other "foreigners " who turned out to be useless.Work Permits are just an excuse IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Its interesting that everyone concentrates on O'Malley and somehow Campton gets overlooked. There is no way you will ever get 100% success rate but to paint Glasgow as picking duds ALL the time is rather inaccurate. The point is though, that Campton already had a proven good record in Australia, and went on to do well in the UK. The work permit was fully justified. O'Malley had no record at all, there was no evidence he had ever ridden in an organised meeting, and yet after much fuss he was granted a work permit. Not surprisingly, this proved to be a mistake. Therefore the obvious conclusion is that the bar has to be raised a little bit. That's all that has happened. It is very hard to set precise criteria, though that would be desirable, because there are not many meetings held down under to go on. I'm very pro-Aussie, always have been, but the situation is that there have to be some rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Its interesting that everyone concentrates on O'Malley and somehow Campton gets overlooked. There is no way you will ever get 100% success rate but to paint Glasgow as picking duds ALL the time is rather inaccurate. Campton who failed to average 5? What about Penfold and Davey? Thats a lot of failures. Exactly! Nick Morris being a case in point! You mean Brit Nick Morris? He didnt need a work permit. Fail to see why everybody only seem to concentrate on Australians who dont make the grade, there are plenty of teams had other "foreigners " who turned out to be useless.Work Permits are just an excuse IMO. Work permits are law and whatever you or I think of laws they have to be abided by. Laws are not excuses. If Glasgow (any clubs tbf) keeps signing duff Aussies (any work permit riders) then the government can stop allowing any work permit riders in and that would be a travesty. So do Glasgow (or the BSPA) wnat to risk us seeing the like like of Holder and Ward for the sake of some rider who Glasgow signed on a 5, hoping he'd be ok but he only goes on to average 1.5? Who exactly gains from such a rider riding here? And what other duff foreigner have averaged less than 3 like Davey, O'Malley and Penfold? Duff is generally the 4.5-5 that Mason Campton averaged and is being heralded as some sort of star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 However, the UK government decided to "tighten" up the requirements for a work permit due to the "Daily Mail" perception that there were too many poorly rated immigrants allowed in to take jobs from natives. This of course should not be a political forum, but for sure the area of society who most strongly believe that there are too many immigrants taking jobs is the UK 'working class'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luluthetiger Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Its pretty simple , read my previous post or here it is again. there is only 4 riders who applied for work permits. Fricke, Ringwood, Koppe, Horwood and Douglas. That's four? Fail to see why everybody only seem to concentrate on Australians who dont make the grade, there are plenty of teams had other "foreigners " who turned out to be useless.Work Permits are just an excuse IMO. Don't disagree, but sadly too many of the other "foreigners" are EC citizens and, until Mr Cameron's promised referendum, they can flood in here to work (or race) willy-nilly. Even more intriguingly, if Alex Salmond's referendum next year splits Scotland away from England and one side or the other is rendered as outwith the EC............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 This of course should not be a political forum . Even more intriguingly, if Alex Salmond's referendum next year splits Scotland away from England and one side or the other is rendered as outwith the EC............. But sometimes politics can't be avoided! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 You mean Brit Nick Morris? He didnt need a work permit. Defending Glasgow promotions ability to spot talent. Not eligibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyfivetoes Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Will there be Glasgow riders at the Marriott on Saturday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 This of course should not be a political forum, but for sure the area of society who most strongly believe that there are too many immigrants taking jobs is the UK 'working class'. You can be fairly sure there are plenty of people who read the Daily Mail and hold those strong beliefs who would never consider themselves to be working class. Even so, it's unlikely they would consider Australians to be immigrants (illegal or otherwise) ... it's an historical and very much institutionalised view. Politics does have to come into it, but you can also argue that this country isn't run by politicians - certainly none of the current bunch, of any political persuasion, seem capable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Interesting reading in SS, new centre green presenter for next seaon is M Max getting the Heave or is he getting an assisant ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheggie Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Interesting reading in SS, new centre green presenter for next seaon is M Max getting the Heave or is he getting an assisant ? As far as I am aware, Michael retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilo363 Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 does it say who is replacing MM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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