george.m Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) that's the reason for all the argument , there's no clarity I can't help but think that the rationale behind the constant failure to put in print the reasons for BSPA MC decisions is they don't want to set precedents that can be used in the future. In other words, past, current and future decisions are not made solely on the basis of the rulebook - human judgement comes into it. When human judgement comes into it, so does the potential for bias - real or perceived.......... and that leads to supporter disillusionment and/or dissatisfaction. Edited January 20, 2013 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider Replacement Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Uh, uh, uh can't touch me! Every case is lõõked upon and based on individual merits, no under handed methods and complete transparency. Heathy paranoia is a good thing ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massey Harris Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 i don't understand why the mc don't publish the reasons behind their decisions, as some have said there may be valid reasons for denying joey but tell us what they are. that is the majn problem i have with the mc as everything seems shrouded in secrecy. being on the mc will always leave alex and his cronies open to claims of bias but the bottom line is speedway cannot afford an independent panel. these guys put a lot of work and effort and give up so much of their time to speedway for very little reward. if promotions of other teams really think they are biased then vote them out at the agm. this is alex harkess 3rd year as chairman so he must have plenty support. The criteria for sponsorship is in the guidelines issued to all clubs as I recall. Why haven't Glasgow said whether the riders met the criteria? Surely Glasgow would have known before they applied or did they mess the application up in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msc1874 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Would Helen Daniels qualify for a sponsorship visa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 The criteria for sponsorship is in the guidelines issued to all clubs as I recall. Why haven't Glasgow said whether the riders met the criteria? Surely Glasgow would have known before they applied or did they mess the application up in the first place? I would doubt it as it is not like it's the first time we have dabbled in the Aussie market but why don't you ask them because from what i read into it no-one is sure what the criteria is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) I see a few mentions of the BSPA being unable to fund an independent MC. I'd make two suggestions to change the current set up based on the fact that the individuals involved are making decisions on the interpretation of a rule book. 1. The current PL, EL and NL MCs swap places in matters such as this. Or... 2. Use a body of former promoters or better still, referees to make decisions on rider eligibility. Considering the low frequency of necessary meetings, the cost wouldn't be prohibitive. This would reduce the paranoia. Though I do accept some promoters could potentially have an interest in another league. Edited January 21, 2013 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Joey Ringwood's appeal was today. Anyone know the outcome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mitch Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Why dont the BSPA at their AGM decide what the eligibility criteria for foreigners joining British speedway is and published it ? That way promotors and fans would know who they might be able to sign. It also should reduce the LMC having to meet and decide eligibility. Maybe I,m being a bit simplistic but if its too complicated mistakes are going to be made. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Why dont the BSPA at their AGM decide what the eligibility criteria for foreigners joining British speedway is and published it ? That way promotors and fans would know who they might be able to sign. It also should reduce the LMC having to meet and decide eligibility. Maybe I,m being a bit simplistic but if its too complicated mistakes are going to be made. my guess is that this is published to all clubs, just some either ignore it. one question on this, did Glasgow submit the correct paperwork for these two ? perhaps that is why they were rejected and then Horwoods got passed so quickly after being rejected. People seem quick to put the blame on the BSPA but infact the truth may lie closer to home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Why dont the BSPA at their AGM decide what the eligibility criteria for foreigners joining British speedway is and published it ? That way promotors and fans would know who they might be able to sign. It also should reduce the LMC having to meet and decide eligibility. Maybe I,m being a bit simplistic but if its too complicated mistakes are going to be made. I think the difficulty is that the old system was being eligible by virtue of finishing in the top 3/4 in their State Championships. That seems to have changed and now there is a process of assessment regarding experience and performance, which obviously can be flawed according to who you use for the assessment. Given that, it would be extremely difficult to write down what aspects could, and how would be, assessed and what is the level that is no or yes. I think last years experience of Jaydon O' Malley was a worry and possibly the bar has been raised to prevent it happening again. Edited January 22, 2013 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 With the top 4 in most championship already riding in the uk maybe they should have a championship just for riders that think they are ready for riding over here and top 4 or so riders being given the chance to get over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) With the top 4 in most championship already riding in the uk maybe they should have a championship just for riders that think they are ready for riding over here and top 4 or so riders being given the chance to get over here With the top 4 in most championship already riding in the uk maybe they should have a championship just for riders that think they are ready for riding over here and top 4 or so riders being given the chance to get over here Although I dont know quaifications regarding work permits regarding Department of Employment,I think if Teams are willing to finance Young Aussies who are going to cost LESS than a young Brit who not does fancy the Travel up North or want too much money compared to an Aussie they should be allowed to sign. Edited January 22, 2013 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 With the top 4 in most championship already riding in the uk maybe they should have a championship just for riders that think they are ready for riding over here and top 4 or so riders being given the chance to get over here That would be like an old style GP challenge proper Harum Scarum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 With the top 4 in most championship already riding in the uk maybe they should have a championship just for riders that think they are ready for riding over here and top 4 or so riders being given the chance to get over here there is a procedure in place just now for this. If the top 4 are already riding in Britain, the BSPA will look at the other applicants, which they have done on this season. Max Fricke finished 5th in 2 state championship, therefore 1st finisher outside of the 4 already in the uk. The scunny rider, finished 2nd in a state championship so qualified. The two Glasgow riders, well i have checked the speedway website's for them competing in the state championships, and can't find any mention of them in any, But hopefully im proved wrong. Yes i can understand that if they are injured they didn't ride in them, but also that doesn't prove that they would have qualified. Personally i hope that they both get work permits, but its a big gamble/cost if they turn out to be rubbish, From what i am lead to believe is that when the m/c decide on a ruling like this , they need a majority 3-2 against. hence the reason there are 5 members. So for all those who thinks it one person, think again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luluthetiger Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 So Joey Ringwood has also now been approved. So why did three other rookies get in first time, but the two Tigers had to go to appeals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 The Tigers just got stronger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 So Joey Ringwood has also now been approved. So why did three other rookies get in first time, but the two Tigers had to go to appeals? It a conspiracy everyone is out to get the tiggers!! The Tigers just got stronger. Would love to hear how 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 It a conspiracy everyone is out to get the tiggers!! Would love to hear how I am assuming you know first hand that it makes us weaker then would love to hear how Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 I am assuming you know first hand that it makes us weaker then would love to hear how It doesn't make you stronger but it doesn't make you weaker either if that makes any sense at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 It doesn't make you stronger but it doesn't make you weaker either if that makes any sense at all No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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