screm Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Albin on a 5.0 average would be at least as ridiculous as Sike & Mudgway (anywhere except Shielfield on occasion). Both of whom have struggled,Mudgway not in this years team dropped by Glasgow,to be picked up by Redcar weeks later,and Sike has hardly been seen anywhere near a speedway track. I would dispute that it lacks ambition, but it is a gamble . The rules of speedway means that Promotions have to take a chance and find riders who might be a future prospect in the sport and bring them in on a low average.The sport needs a radical shake -up IMO. How can you predict how Albin will fare and least he is young and keen which is a better gamble than a Jason King type signing. I have always maintained the "averages" are killing the sport and I stick by that statement. Its a gamble alright,and that IMO should be reason enough to steer clear of this signing.The plus side of course is that it adds to our asset base,but other than that Albins signing makes no sense.Dick Barrie of course will witter on about giving him a chance,but I dont think the time is right to be taking gambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Both of whom have struggled,Mudgway not in this years team dropped by Glasgow,to be picked up by Redcar weeks later,and Sike has hardly been seen anywhere near a speedway track. Its a gamble alright,and that IMO should be reason enough to steer clear of this signing.The plus side of course is that it adds to our asset base,but other than that Albins signing makes no sense.Dick Barrie of course will witter on about giving him a chance,but I dont think the time is right to be taking gambles. Both of whom have struggled,Mudgway not in this years team dropped by Glasgow,to be picked up by Redcar weeks later,and Sike has hardly been seen anywhere near a speedway track. Its a gamble alright,and that IMO should be reason enough to steer clear of this signing.The plus side of course is that it adds to our asset base,but other than that Albins signing makes no sense.Dick Barrie of course will witter on about giving him a chance,but I dont think the time is right to be taking gambles. Ok no gambles, so we will stick with Jason King or Klaus Jacobson at least we know what they will score. Edited October 4, 2012 by Fromafar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Wonder if chief scout 'Dick' has anymore wonder riders for next year? What about a return for Greg Blair? Theres 2 duffers they wouldnt have to pay straight away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted October 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 After an in depth convo with a fellow Bandits follower, would Tero Aarnio be a possibililty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 After an in depth convo with a fellow Bandits follower, would Tero Aarnio be a possibililty? Why? He's a nice wee guy, but he's 28, he's a Scunny asset and carries a 5.76 CMA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Keep the good ones coming boy wonder lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted October 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Or Facu Albin on a 5? aye great shout just like Chris Harris is World Class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Why? He's a nice wee guy, but he's 28, he's a Scunny asset and carries a 5.76 CMA. Lee Complin is 29 next month, hes a Sheffield asset and carries an average of 7.35, but he'll still be the 2nd name on the teamsheet after Albin the great. Comparing the 2, is there any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Ok no gambles, so we will stick with Jason King or Klaus Jacobson at least we know what they will score. Quite a few riders kicking around on what could be “false averages” next season, Wilkinson and Schramm are both on about 5.00 averages, gamble you take is if they are going to come back to what they were, or if that is just the level of performance you are going to get from them now. There is only so often you can sign riders like that before it all just becomes a bit too predictable to the point that they aren’t going to be much more than middle of the road second strings. At least with guys like Edberg and Albin they are young enough that they are worth the low risk/ possible high reward you might get from them. Plenty of riders that have came over for a limited time and haven’t looked overly impressive during limited second half outings yet went on to have very decent careers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Quite a few riders kicking around on what could be “false averages” next season, Wilkinson and Schramm are both on about 5.00 averages, gamble you take is if they are going to come back to what they were, or if that is just the level of performance you are going to get from them now. There is only so often you can sign riders like that before it all just becomes a bit too predictable to the point that they aren’t going to be much more than middle of the road second strings. At least with guys like Edberg and Albin they are young enough that they are worth the low risk/ possible high reward you might get from them. Plenty of riders that have came over for a limited time and haven’t looked overly impressive during limited second half outings yet went on to have very decent careers. Like I quoted on another Topic IMO this "false average " is just a myth.That IS their average.In the case of Wilko and Schramm did they also start this season on a false average? . If they did , why would next season be a false average.They have both been around too long IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Ok no gambles, so we will stick with Jason King or Klaus Jacobson at least we know what they will score. And what a couple of crackers they were,if you look back at my posts when King signed I thought it was a wrong move,and the less said about Jacobsen the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 And what a couple of crackers they were,if you look back at my posts when King signed I thought it was a wrong move,and the less said about Jacobsen the better. So answer the question what would YOU prefer .I dont see any 5 point riders that stick out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Bring back Tammy Sike, great lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 So answer the question what would YOU prefer .I dont see any 5 point riders that stick out. Sign your top two,Ashworth & Alden would be my choices.Then sign your best two reserves,Id like to get one of those reserves to be Bellego,but it looks like his average will be just to high,so Id go for Dyer & Barrett,after that its calculaters out time. I get the point your making,and as I said myself the good thing on signing Albin is that he will become an asset.My point on his signing as to much of a gamble is this,a good number of people have walked away from Berwick Speedway dont go anymore,granted for a variety of reasons,if they return next March and Berwick start getting beat at home by carrying Albin,dont you really see them sticking around,I dont.We have tried the carrying rider way and Im afraid it doesnt work the majority of the time. I agree with you on this "riders on a false average",a riders average is just that,and if we are looking at Wilkinson & Schramm,then we really are in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted October 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) i wouldnt say no too schrammy or wilko one or two good meetings and they could get on a very good run. There honest lads who give there best, no qualms with that from me. Now I remember reading/hearing Berwick were one of the biggest spenders in the PL apparently so to that end bearing in mind the fans who couldn't get seats on Saturday in the Grandstand, How is the infastructure coming along? Edited October 5, 2012 by RobinH88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Lee Complin is 29 next month, hes a Sheffield asset and carries an average of 7.35, but he'll still be the 2nd name on the teamsheet after Albin the great. Comparing the 2, is there any difference. If you read comments in Star this week will Berwick bother running? Looks obvious that it is 'not sustainable' on crowd limits. Probably another half dozen doubts too eh? However, just like my own club Coventry there are always plenty clever dicks on forums who could step in and make a real go of speedway tracks all over the country, but maybe not with there own cash. Wonder if chief scout 'Dick' has anymore wonder riders for next year? What about a return for Greg Blair? Theres 2 duffers they wouldnt have to pay straight away. What a real happy soul you are? Its the weekend and you have no speedway to moan about this week. PS With the right machinery I always thought Mr Blair would have made it. He looked good at Redcar in National League a year or two ago, but never did himself justice at the next level. If stories coming out of Midlands area are true you wont need to worry about Premier League racing in 2013 so you can watch Stoke and Liam Carr. Edited October 5, 2012 by Catch Me If You Can 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Sign your top two,Ashworth & Alden would be my choices.Then sign your best two reserves,Id like to get one of those reserves to be Bellego,but it looks like his average will be just to high,so Id go for Dyer & Barrett,after that its calculaters out time. I get the point your making,and as I said myself the good thing on signing Albin is that he will become an asset.My point on his signing as to much of a gamble is this,a good number of people have walked away from Berwick Speedway dont go anymore,granted for a variety of reasons,if they return next March and Berwick start getting beat at home by carrying Albin,dont you really see them sticking around,I dont.We have tried the carrying rider way and Im afraid it doesnt work the majority of the time. I agree with you on this "riders on a false average",a riders average is just that,and if we are looking at Wilkinson & Schramm,then we really are in trouble. I would have Barret and Dyer as I stated in a previous post, bur Dyer in particular will be much sought after IMO,The point I was making it is better to gamble on an unkown 5pt man than sign guys that have been round the block on a so called "false average". IMO we persevered will King to long last season maybe they would make changes if found in the same situation again" who knows." Edited October 5, 2012 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col 24 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Why? He's a nice wee guy, but he's 28, he's a Scunny asset and carries a 5.76 CMA. should have never left to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted October 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Scunny is a racers track with many different lines and the track is well prepared consistantly, and he's a racer! But our promotion wasted no time in replacing Tero by bringing in Jade Mudgway, so I think Tero did us a favour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Scunny is a racers track with many different lines and the track is well prepared consistantly, and he's a racer! But our promotion wasted no time in replacing Tero by bringing in Jade Mudgway, so I think Tero did us a favour Oh, IF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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