How Many Teams

[speedy bill]

what is going to happen to the national league next season,so far buxton and kings lynn look dodgy and i can not see stoke as being able to carry on with the crowds i have seen there.i think if the nowich track runs kings lynn will drop out and buxton will close or have new people in to run it,i think teams are being priced out by some teams paying way over the pay rates to attract the best riders stoke seem to sign a couple of new riders every week haines going to dudley i know from a good source that buxton asked him to ride but he turned them down obviously dudley pay better than buxton you only have to look at the difference in their crowds to see that. the league needs to be better balanced so we the supporters get closer meetings,i dont claim to know the answer to the situation the national league as got itself into but it wants sorting or i fear for its very existence.

[greyhoundp]

This pay situation is nothing new, however where the difference seems to be is there are fewer Heat leaders around, for the lesser Teams shall we say, and yes Dudley are perhaps in a position to offer more money for a rider to drop down, One only has to look at the Under 19,s at Sheffield to see the rider shortage, There was Nielsen, Jacobs, Morris, Perry, Morley, Sarjeant, The remainder were either 1st or 2nd season riders, mostly reserves, so just what is the make up of the present NL Teams ? with regards age, yes we have the current 1 rider per Team over 30, but then there are the riders who have been around for a number of years but are still only 2nd string come reserves, but enough of age restrictions, maybe its time to look at how many "Heat Leaders" make up a Team, combined with a points limit reduction, perhaps a 38 point limit could be looked at

I do believe we will see, some Teams drop out of the NL, IMO there must be doubts over KL, Scunny, RH, and though i am surprised to see Stoke mentioned in this Topic, Teams have to be viable, Buxton have always struggled because of there location, IOW i think will remain, which leaves Mildenhall & Dudley, or all of the so called stand alones.

Will there be any NEW kids on the block?, it wouldnt surprise me in the least to see Plymouth drop down, especially if Bowden remains in charge, so there may be a 6 Team League, just about viable with, perhaps the NT to fill up the fixture list.

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This pay situation is nothing new, however where the difference seems to be is there are fewer Heat leaders around, for the lesser Teams shall we say, and yes Dudley are perhaps in a position to offer more money for a rider to drop down, One only has to look at the Under 19,s at Sheffield to see the rider shortage, There was Nielsen, Jacobs, Morris, Perry, Morley, Sarjeant, The remainder were either 1st or 2nd season riders, mostly reserves, so just what is the make up of the present NL Teams ? with regards age, yes we have the current 1 rider per Team over 30, but then there are the riders who have been around for a number of years but are still only 2nd string come reserves, but enough of age restrictions, maybe its time to look at how many "Heat Leaders" make up a Team, combined with a points limit reduction, perhaps a 38 point limit could be looked at

I do believe we will see, some Teams drop out of the NL, IMO there must be doubts over KL, Scunny, RH, and though i am surprised to see Stoke mentioned in this Topic, Teams have to be viable, Buxton have always struggled because of there location, IOW i think will remain, which leaves Mildenhall & Dudley, or all of the so called stand alones.

Will there be any NEW kids on the block?, it wouldnt surprise me in the least to see Plymouth drop down, especially if Bowden remains in charge, so there may be a 6 Team League, just about viable with, perhaps the NT to fill up the fixture list.

 

 

Why would there be doubts over scunny. Rob stated he has funded the team for 2 years aiming to go for the league title again next year after using this year to bring in new riders

[vog]

what is going to happen to the national league next season,so far buxton and kings lynn look dodgy and i can not see stoke as being able to carry on with the crowds i have seen there.i think if the nowich track runs kings lynn will drop out and buxton will close or have new people in to run it,i think teams are being priced out by some teams paying way over the pay rates to attract the best riders stoke seem to sign a couple of new riders every week haines going to dudley i know from a good source that buxton asked him to ride but he turned them down obviously dudley pay better than buxton you only have to look at the difference in their crowds to see that. the league needs to be better balanced so we the supporters get closer meetings,i dont claim to know the answer to the situation the national league as got itself into but it wants sorting or i fear for its very existence.

 

Out of the 8 teams currently, I would guess it is as follows

 

Buxton: May struggle team wise, especially if Wright stays PL, and Felton retires (He has been threatening it for years )

Dudley: Too big for the NL, but circumstances keep them in it. I expect them to be back unless they come to a surprise deal with someone.

Isle of Wight: Stated before that NL suits them, due to them being able to fit the majority of their fixtures into the holiday season. I expect them to be back.

King's Lynn: Already rumblings that they will pull out due to fans not supporting the NL team.

Mildenhall: Huge crowds for NL level, but availability of stadium, plus Chris Louis already owning one PL team will probably see them staying NL.

Rye House: No idea, but can't imagine them leaving the league.

Scunthorpe: Rob Godfrey seems to like having the NL team to bring riders through. Working well for them, so I can see them staying.

Stoke: Unless a big sponsor comes in, or a change of promotion, I expect to see them in the NL again. Irrespective of what BW Double says, the crowds aren't that low (They aren't huge, but they are probably the third biggest in the NL!)

 

Realistically, next season could see the NL down to 6 teams, of which 4 are stand-alone (I consider Dudley as stand alone, irrespective of their ground share). That would be bad for the league, as 6 teams just isn't enough. The question would be, where would new teams come from?

[Jayne]

It is very doubtful that Buxton will run in the league as it is. The stark fact is that we can no longer afford the ever increasing costs alongside the drop in crowd levels and lack of sponsorship. The league has been down to five teams in the past and survived so we will see what happens but unless ways can be found of generating funds to offset the costs or the running costs are decreased then Buxton won't be part of it next year.

[25yearfan]

While Dudleys presense in the NL has seen good paydays for other tracks, now it seems that Dudley enormous pulling power is now very detrimental to the League. Only Mildenhall and maybe Stoke can get near to Dudley in terms of attracting riders.

 

Sad to read about problems at Buxton who are the only ever present in the 3rd Division since its rebirth in 1994, hope things are resolved!

 

Like Jayne Moss says, the 3rd tier went down ot 5 teams in 1998 and survived so if some changes can be made to make it more viable then hopefully we'lll see a League with as many members as this year!

[shad176]

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[While Dudleys presense in the NL has seen good paydays for other tracks, now it seems that Dudley enormous pulling power is now very detrimental to the League. Only Mildenhall and maybe Stoke can get near to Dudley in terms of attracting riders.] your avin a laugh right????are riders saying if i can,t ride for dudley i dont want to ride at all ??? tracks need F A N S yes F A N S to exist, there are buxton fans on here who have done nothing but moan all season about one thing or another regarding their side, i pesonaly do not want to see any club fold but there is a thing called patience...not if we cant win i aint going , stokes fans staying away in large numbers cos they aint "premier league" no more , dudley will have a very different team next year but i bet my wages the crowds will still be good, when the heathens move up..and they will in time who will you blame then ???? pulling power ?? pull the other one .

[TMW]

Out of the 8 teams currently, I would guess it is as follows

 

Buxton: May struggle team wise, especially if Wright stays PL, and Felton retires (He has been threatening it for years )

Dudley: Too big for the NL, but circumstances keep them in it. I expect them to be back unless they come to a surprise deal with someone.

Isle of Wight: Stated before that NL suits them, due to them being able to fit the majority of their fixtures into the holiday season. I expect them to be back.

King's Lynn: Already rumblings that they will pull out due to fans not supporting the NL team.

Mildenhall: Huge crowds for NL level, but availability of stadium, plus Chris Louis already owning one PL team will probably see them staying NL.

Rye House: No idea, but can't imagine them leaving the league.

Scunthorpe: Rob Godfrey seems to like having the NL team to bring riders through. Working well for them, so I can see them staying.

Stoke: Unless a big sponsor comes in, or a change of promotion, I expect to see them in the NL again. Irrespective of what BW Double says, the crowds aren't that low (They aren't huge, but they are probably the third biggest in the NL!)

 

Realistically, next season could see the NL down to 6 teams, of which 4 are stand-alone (I consider Dudley as stand alone, irrespective of their ground share). That would be bad for the league, as 6 teams just isn't enough. The question would be, where would new teams come from?

 

The Leicester promoter stated at the beginning of the season his aim would be to apply to EL for 2013 not sure if that is still the case if it is he would have to run a NL side aswell as his aim is also to provide speedway every week of the season. A lot of Lions fans have tried NL whilst supporting people like Hughes and Blackbird and they are massive supporters of the MDL thanks to the local lads who ride in it so it could be a goer.

 

I would hate to see Buxton go. I hope it comes good again and repeats its success of previous years.

 

I supose you get it in every league BV versus Poole etc it hasn't been so evident in the PL this year but then I think I remember the Glasgow management stating at the beggining of the season that buying the title last year broke them.

[villiers210]

While Dudleys presense in the NL has seen good paydays for other tracks, now it seems that Dudley enormous pulling power is now very detrimental to the League. Only Mildenhall and maybe Stoke can get near to Dudley in terms of attracting riders.

 

Sad to read about problems at Buxton who are the only ever present in the 3rd Division since its rebirth in 1994, hope things are resolved!

 

Like Jayne Moss says, the 3rd tier went down ot 5 teams in 1998 and survived so if some changes can be made to make it more viable then hopefully we'lll see a League with as many members as this year!

Is there anything else that Dudley are responsible for? It really is getting all a bit tedious now. Lets put one thing absolutely straight here, one of the main attractions for riders wanting to go to Dudley is the sponsorship deals that are organised by its supporters - not the club. Im not for one minute suggesting that the riders are doing it for free, but every time this topic comes up the funding that the supporters organise is never mentioned. Probably because you don't know about it and jump to the conclusion that Dudley are paying huge sums to their riders. Edited September 15, 2012 by villiers210

[PhilK]

As a long time follower of 3rd tier speedway, it is very sad to read Jaynes post, I sincerely hope something can be done to keep that important outpost of speedway Buxton continuing.

 

Personally I would expect the other seven teams to line up, plus maybe one or two newbies hopefully. Ideally 10 to 12 teams would be excellent as it would negate the need for the likes of the National Trophy which always feels like a fixture filler to me.

[heathhen1]

Is there anything else that Dudley are responsible for? It really is getting all a bit tedious now. Lets put one thing absolutely straight here, one of the main attractions for riders wanting to go to Dudley is the sponsorship deals that are organised by its supporters - not the club. Im not for one minute suggesting that the riders are doing it for free, but every time this topic comes up the funding that the supporters organise is never mentioned. Probably because you don't know about it and jump to the conclusion that Dudley are paying huge sums to their riders.

it it getting very tedious when our die hard fans put money on there gates but when we have home match hardly any away fans turn up we are a self sustaining club very sorry for buxton and the moss family hope something turns up for you you have all worked so hard

[Allitt Racing]

Kings Lynn at this present time are not intending to pull out. However we would like to see changes made as do many other clubs.

[greyhoundp]

Kings Lynn at this present time are not intending to pull out. However we would like to see changes made as do many other clubs.

 

Great to hear that Dale.

[speedy bill]

if the moss family pull out at buxton there must be someone who will fancy making a go of it.

[frostylion]

if the moss family pull out at buxton there must be someone who will fancy making a go of it.

you best find somone with a large fortune and watch it turn into a small one.Good luck

[teddy2706]

Mrs. Moss has stated her case, as a business woman she is ruled by her head, not her heart.

A train of events beyond her control caused problems that led to falling attendances.

A recession that seems to just go on for ever.

Stoke sacking Tim Webster, who was then available for Buxton.

Tim walking out leaving Buxton high and dry.

Robert injured himself badly and Charles Wright isn't always available because of PL commitments.

As someone who didn't like spectating at Buxton, I have learned to love the cut and thrust unpredictability of that track, I saw more action there than almost anywhere this season.

Watching Deano bushwack top NL riders, watching Luke and Adam pull off some real suprises and scarcely being able to watch Rhino Blacklock because he might win, but might fall off, then remount and get back into the places (who knows which it will be)?

The setting has the best scenery in England and the racing can be first class.

What do you want?

The food and drink are served with a smile and you are so close to the action you sometimes duck, especially if Mr. Blacklock is on the rampage out of turn 4.

Instead of grumbling about that tracks differences, it would be good to celebrate them and turn up to watch, Mrs. Moss gives young, inexperienced riders much longer to learn their craft than anyone else, she deserves support for this on its own!

As a previous sceptic, I am converted and would be very upset to never watch there again.

[waco]

It has to be hoped that a salution can be foundit would be tragedy if Buxton folded, It is unique,,

[Halifaxtiger]

Kings Lynn at this present time are not intending to pull out. However we would like to see changes made as do many other clubs.

 

It would be interesting to see what kind of changes that you and Jayne would like, Dale.

 

I am pleased that you personally have an intention to be part of speedway for at least the immediate future as it would be a bad day for the sport in this country if someone with your integrity and passion became so disillusioned that you decided to quit.

 

No chance of Plymouth dropping down - their gates are still among the highest in the PL and when (rather than if) Bowden goes they will increase still further. Cornwall go for planning permission next month and (touch wood) might be operational by May and I have heard a noise that Sittingbourne might be coming back (at Iwade). Rob Godfrey has confirmed Scunny are running next season and I doubt very much that Rye House will shut.

 

I do think there has at least got to be dialogue about what the likes of Buxton and King's Lynn want because they are an integral part of the NL and the league needs all its members to remain operational. Better 8 teams than 5.

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I used to enjoy my trips over the bridge to see the Hornets, it's a shame there's no NL track anywhere close to me in North Wiltshire. I'd much rather watch that than even the winning EL side we currently have

[speedy bill]

i know buxton crowds are down but to just close. ken moss who was a gentleman which is more than i can say for most people in speedway ,must be turning in his grave at the thought of buxton closeing