Fourentee Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Probably that a guy who has, by all accounts, had a fantastic PL season can come in a couple of days before the deadline for changes and double up. I understand the need to replace Adam, but it does make a mockery of the sport. I can understand the opposition on this one, but you could go a tad easy on the 'fantastic season'. Joe is rebuilding well after injury (does that sound familiar in a Dudley context, by the way?) but isn't north of five points yet in the PL. They're not parachuting in Greg Hancock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 In my opinion..............it is like for like, but it is the Heathens who are doing it this time, so it must be bad Mildenhall have done the same thing with Isherwood at the lower end, Stoke did the same thing with Simon Lambert & Scunthorpe are still declaring a certain Jerran Hart at #1 & ran Paul Cooper as a guest rider for the biggest part of last season when it suited them after he had retired as well! I find it a joke that the NL is still by all being called a Development League...........hasn't been that for years! Anyways, heres to a good set of safe meetings in the Play Offs & KO Cup for all who qualify or have qualified through their endevours this Season. quite how is putting Iserwood,a lad without a team place the same as signing Joe Haines?? Hart retiring also has nothing to do with it,he retired and scunny have contiued to using full teams of developing riders And with more rookies in the NL this year than ever before,how is it not a development league?? of course it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted September 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 quite how is putting Iserwood,a lad without a team place the same as signing Joe Haines?? Hart retiring also has nothing to do with it,he retired and scunny have contiued to using full teams of developing riders And with more rookies in the NL this year than ever before,how is it not a development league?? of course it is quite how is putting Iserwood,a lad without a team place the same as signing Joe Haines?? Hart retiring also has nothing to do with it,he retired and scunny have contiued to using full teams of developing riders And with more rookies in the NL this year than ever before,how is it not a development league?? of course it is It is exactly the same in the respect that Isherwood was the best possible option available to Mildenhall to cover for injury. I dont for one minute think that the fact that he had no club was taken into consideration. He was the best available to cover, and Mildenhall signed him. There is no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I can understand the opposition on this one, but you could go a tad easy on the 'fantastic season'. Joe is rebuilding well after injury (does that sound familiar in a Dudley context, by the way?) but isn't north of five points yet in the PL. They're not parachuting in Greg Hancock. Actually, I reckon Joe probably is averaging over 5 this season, just those pesky rolling averages. Interestingly, had there been no rolling averages, you couldn't have signed Joe. (His average this season is 5.54 according to the Sheffield site) So, I wouldn't say he is having a bad season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 So, I wouldn't say he is having a bad season Neither did I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 It is exactly the same in the respect that Isherwood was the best possible option available to Mildenhall to cover for injury. I dont for one minute think that the fact that he had no club was taken into consideration. He was the best available to cover, and Mildenhall signed him. There is no difference. If you dont think there is a difference in the signing of Isherwood and Joe Haines you must be mad,One retrun from injury and without a team place,the other having a great season in the PL and riding extremely well,yet stepping backwards in his career, Ive seem more of Joe from his year with Scunny and Sheff and others is the PL to no that Joe is far better than the NL,hence he turned down places at start of season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 quite how is putting Iserwood,a lad without a team place the same as signing Joe Haines?? Hart retiring also has nothing to do with it,he retired and scunny have contiued to using full teams of developing riders And with more rookies in the NL this year than ever before,how is it not a development league?? of course it is 'Fraid it has.......................one rule for the rest and if my beloved Heathens do the same............well Poor show & against the rules, etc.............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted September 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 If you dont think there is a difference in the signing of Isherwood and Joe Haines you must be mad,One retrun from injury and without a team place,the other having a great season in the PL and riding extremely well,yet stepping backwards in his career, Ive seem more of Joe from his year with Scunny and Sheff and others is the PL to no that Joe is far better than the NL,hence he turned down places at start of season If you dont think there is a difference in the signing of Isherwood and Joe Haines you must be mad,One retrun from injury and without a team place,the other having a great season in the PL and riding extremely well,yet stepping backwards in his career, Ive seem more of Joe from his year with Scunny and Sheff and others is the PL to no that Joe is far better than the NL,hence he turned down places at start of season Now you are putting words in my mouth. What I said was there is absolutely no difference whatsoever in the fact that both clubs have made the best possible signing to replace their injured rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 'Fraid it has.......................one rule for the rest and if my beloved Heathens do the same............well Poor show & against the rules, etc.............................. Where have any rules been broken,i no you lads for the midlands have a reputation of not being the sharpest tools in the shed but i do still fail to see where anyone has said Dudley are cheating,i no for sure im not,im say it the rules Back to my orginal fear that moves like this are typical of an awfull British disease of welcoming sportsmen to take a step backwards rather than up What sky Altantic on Thursday night,8pm,you will learn something about bettering yourself not dropping down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 May I suggest to the Moderators that this is locked as it going to round in circles for pages.......................Heathens got Joe temporary for Adam..........end of story. No bar room spins will change this! Once a Heathen always a Heathen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 May I suggest to the Moderators that this is locked as it going to round in circles for pages.......................Heathens got Joe temporary for Adam..........end of story. No bar room spins will change this! Once a Heathen always a Heathen There are still people who haven't seen it yet and may want to comment.. Don't be a fascist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Becoming a joke now. The EL is basically PL riders, and now the NL wants to use PL riders too! Balls to bringing on younger riders, lets have the 2 time British U21 champion step backwards. Remember the days when teams won the CL by using 7 up and comers, rather than buying the trophy? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 No ones breaking the rules ..The question is who are the idiots who make them ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I find this all very confusing TBH, how was James Brundle last season NOT allowed to ride for Mildenhall NL after signing for Rye House in PL half way through the season?? and why wasn't Simon Lambert allowed to ride for both Stoke and Rye, and then to allow Joe now to double down??? Confuseddotcom!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Whatever we think about the rules, I would just like to wish Joe Haines all the best with the Heathens. He's had an awful time with injuries in recent years and hope this is short spell with Dudley is successful for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Really sad that the supposed best U21 rider in Britain has to ride in the 3rd division. Fair enough Worrall and Birks still do but they've haven't ridden many seasons, while Haines and Roynon have and still find it acceptable to be beating novices every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) If British riders want to ride in a British league (any) and their average allows them to, then whats the problem? Simple sport (4 riders, 4 laps) spoilt by rules that are not either simple or simply followed! Edited September 12, 2012 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I find this all very confusing TBH, how was James Brundle last season NOT allowed to ride for Mildenhall NL after signing for Rye House in PL half way through the season?? and why wasn't Simon Lambert allowed to ride for both Stoke and Rye, and then to allow Joe now to double down??? Confuseddotcom!!! Simon's average at the start of the season was above 5, so he can't ride in both. Joe's is below 5, so he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_t Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Simon's average at the start of the season was above 5, so he can't ride in both. Joe's is below 5, so he can. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) This signing is obviously going to raise a few eyebrows here and there, but lets look at it in the cold light of day, The Heathens have lost their Captain and talisman in Adam Roynon, do we just use a Guest, R.R or sign an unattached 3 pointer, or as we have done, a rider who is still Young Qualifies and if i am not mistaken < a Wolves asset>?, so as CVS is joint promoter at The Heathens, Joe is not totally unlinked to us, so good luck Joe. The season is coming to a climax, with Play Offs and KO Cup final to come, if we went with an unattached 3 pointer, this could have been seen as unfair on the other 6 Heathens, who have earned, and deserve an oportunity to win some silverware, to go with R.R is too risky in case another injury is picked up, the remaining 5 riders would not adequately cover 2 injured riders, and the guest options are limited due to the fact the Guests for Royno, are more than likely to be involved in these self same high profile meetings. I have a feeling Mildenhall & Stoke would have made the same choice, if Cam Heeps or Ashley Birks were out with likely season ending injuries. Lets be totally honest here, most of us would have prefered to see Adam uninjured, and riding in these meetings, he earned and deserved this oportunity, and it looks more than likely he will once again miss out, through his cruel injury Jinx, but i would hope that at least in the KO Cup Final, we may be able to host the 2nd leg at Home, and have enough of a lead to name Adam in the Team, and that he could take a ride or 2, even if it were a token gesture, this in my opinion would be a fitting gesture to end his time at the Heathens, and one that he deserves and has earned. Edited September 12, 2012 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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