spook Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 maybe the question should be ......who is accountable then? Yeah understand NickiP is all 'he's behind you' and all that ..... but I dont believe he has to swear etc to play the pantomime game Do Sky want the swearing or not? If they don't then they should either be getting IMG to stamp on it.... or as others are saying they should be avoiding interviewing him..... the latter would be hard for them to swallow though if he is the self appointed panto star What we have had for years is that the riders dont have to worry..... Sky will apologise..... and thats that tbh I havent really been bothered until this season where the likes of Monster are likely to take a dim view of it ..... big sponsors attract other big sponsors I didn't like his seeming lack of care towards AJ's situation but I didnt expect anything different........ he will stick someone in a fence and not blink...... and then treat them as if they are pulling off one of his very own James Brown acts What amazes me about Nicki though is his undying loyal fans who never seem to be able to see fault..... despite watching the same speedway... seeing the same incidents..... knowing the guy's tactics................... he is an exciting rider who is willing to put himself on the edge but it will never give him a free pass to risk others and bring nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougieD Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 What amazes me about Nicki though is his undying loyal fans who never seem to be able to see fault..... despite watching the same speedway... seeing the same incidents..... knowing the guy's tactics................... he is an exciting rider who is willing to put himself on the edge but it will never give him a free pass to risk others and bring nonsense The very same thing can be said of his "undying loyal" detractors who never seem to be able to see that this time, maybe this time it was not Nicki's fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 What amazes me about Nicki though is his undying loyal fans who never seem to be able to see fault..... despite watching the same speedway... seeing the same incidents..... knowing the guy's tactics................... he is an exciting rider who is willing to put himself on the edge but it will never give him a free pass to risk others and bring nonsense There is alway going to be bias towards riders people like or know.For instance one ex rider who doesn't tend to criticise Nicki recently called another rider "pond life" for a "dirty" move.I see on the net another rider criticizing Nicki and saying Gollob never does things like that or look behind him.But i am sure we can all remember incidents when Tomasz has turned right on riders.One i seem to recall a few years back must have been in a GP just as he was entering the bend/end of straight.Might even have involved AJ,but i really don't remember.It is all in the eye of the beholder.I am a Nicki fan,but i think he lets himself down sometimes in interviews and i am suspicious of his "out of control" wheelies.But apart from that i do think he is just a hard rider,just like so many champ before and after.Gollob is just one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtommo Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 it does not really matter whos fault it was there is no need for what he said or did not once but a few times im sure he would not be happy if some one was behaving the same way in front of his daughter he needs to grow up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougieD Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 it does not really matter whos fault it was there is no need for what he said or did not once but a few times im sure he would not be happy if some one was behaving the same way in front of his daughter he needs to grow up Then complain to Sky instead of bitchin on here and maybe they will stop doing it, don't hold your breath tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 There is alway going to be bias towards riders people like or know.For instance one ex rider who doesn't tend to criticise Nicki recently called another rider "pond life" for a "dirty" move.I see on the net another rider criticizing Nicki and saying Gollob never does things like that or look behind him.But i am sure we can all remember incidents when Tomasz has turned right on riders.One i seem to recall a few years back must have been in a GP just as he was entering the bend/end of straight.Might even have involved AJ,but i really don't remember.It is all in the eye of the beholder.I am a Nicki fan,but i think he lets himself down sometimes in interviews and i am suspicious of his "out of control" wheelies.But apart from that i do think he is just a hard rider,just like so many champ before and after.Gollob is just one Yeah for sure bias and favouritism always play a part..... but just as with this post of yours it is all to be balanced for instance 3 riders I admire are: Gollob Crump Harris all for different positive reasons but I will never be able to mug myself off over Gollob's blatantly disgusting moves particularly early on in his career... disrespect to the SWC... and 'special' bikes Crump's sourness over the years and now what I perceive to be too much caution on track Harris for his lack of reality and constant excuses... not to mention regular choking when on the best gate of the night now i've just done that I feel a bit disloyal ... but I can't pretend it isnt happening Pedersen can be a 'hard rider' .....he has spent the majority of his career riding the man instead of the track but over time he has shown he is willing to push that to dubious lengths which in my mind moves him on from 'hard' to 'often dangerous'......... it doesnt help that he often so ridiculously denies blame for incidents which are so nailed on.... naturally that alone calls into question his judgement Judging by this forum I'm starting to think that Pedersen's greatest talent is to brainwash his fans into believing that he never does anything wrong btw glad you see his 'extra drive' for what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBee Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Love or hate Nicki, he's the best character in Speedway. He'll be missed once he retires. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Sky could have filmed Pedersen back in the pits and interviewed him and recorded it, not showing live. Then they could have decided what to do with the recordings before showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Interesting that in the repeat showing on Sky today, they have still got the interview but 'bleeped out' his comments about the referee!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerald tyke Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Nothing surprises me with that NP .....he loves himself and the cameras and KNOWS his reaction will get him and his SPONSORS on tv. Pity some of the Brits can't take a leaf out of his book (not by knocking riders off!! ) but by getting their "hard earned" sponsors some tv coverage. I'll give NP credit for that, its one thing he does get right in his meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Sky have no control over the live broadcast of Grand Prix, they're picking up the centrally supplied feed that any other TV station would also receive & allow their co-commentator to talk over with occasional insight & intelligence while the main commentator bellows & orgasms unnecessarily (maybe not all stations are the same). The last time it was illustrated was Pedersen's child like screaming at Tony Olsson in Italy, when they evidently couldn't hear the tirade of F-words. Whether it's an SGP or their own palty coverage of the of the EL, if they are so concerned about delicate sensibilities, they could do what every tuppenny local radio station does for a phone in & simply broadcast on a few second delay & pay someone to listen to the live feed. Not rocket science, but seemingly beyond those broadcasting to their maiden great aunt. If they were to apply the same criteria to all their coverage of sport, the next time (anyone) scores a goal (especially for the away team) and the crowd appears in the background, will the game be held up while the commentator apologises for each individual "hand signal" in the crowd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) The reaction of sponsors and potential sponsors should not be forgotten. Speedway has limited appeal as many multi national companies wouldn't touch it with a barge pole because of the dangers associated with it. Just compare the household names sponsoring the sport in the 70s and 80s versus the names you see today. Very few. For some companies the 'risks' associated with the dangers and/or rider behaviour is a small issue, due the exposure they get. Also for some, the dangers tie in with the image they wish for their brand. That works for a small company. If we take Monster, as an example. The sport ties in nicely with the image they want. However, Monster could easily be taken over by a multi-national any day. This week alone AG Barr and Britivic are discussing a merger in the UK. If a multi-national did take over the brand, it joins a stable of brands and gets treated like the rest. It's maverick image would be dumbed down. In a multi-national, lawyers have a massive say in things. So we have a dangerous sport, riders mis-behaving to a large TV audience. Sorry marketing boys, too risky! Speedway cannot afford to lose sponsors of this scale. Sky have no control over the live broadcast of Grand Prix, All broadcasters have control over what they show there is a delayed transmission facility. Radio stations use it on phone-ins all the time. Sky chose not to use it as they are in competition with other TV channels (outside UK) with live broadcasts, and to delay transmission (even by 30 seconds) gives them a competitive disadvantage. Edited September 9, 2012 by george.m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 The reaction of sponsors and potential sponsors should not be forgotten. Speedway has limited appeal as many multi national companies wouldn't touch it with a barge pole because of the dangers associated with it. Just compare the household names sponsoring the sport in the 70s and 80s versus the names you see today. Very few. For some companies the 'risks' associated with the dangers and/or rider behaviour is a small issue, due the exposure they get. Also for some, the dangers tie in with the image they wish for their brand. That works for a small company. If we take Monster, as an example. The sport ties in nicely with the image they want. However, Monster could easily be taken over by a multi-national any day. This week alone AG Barr and Britivic are discussing a merger in the UK. If a multi-national did take over the brand, it joins a stable of brands and gets treated like the rest. It's maverick image would be dumbed down. In a multi-national, lawyers have a massive say in things. So we have a dangerous sport, riders mis-behaving to a large TV audience. Sorry marketing boys, too risky! Speedway cannot afford to lose sponsors of this scale. On the other hand, Monster love high risk, adrenaline sports. They probably love crashes, fighting and anything that gets attention, even a bit of naughty swearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Still think Nicki is 2nd in the league table behind golden boy Holder in the Nigel Pearson apologies for bad language on Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 On the other hand, Monster love high risk, adrenaline sports. They probably love crashes, fighting and anything that gets attention, even a bit of naughty swearing. Did I not say that ..... "The sport ties in nicely with the image they want." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Did I not say that ..... "The sport ties in nicely with the image they want." You did. My point was it's no good dwelling on what might happen, just give them what they want now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) You did. My point was it's no good dwelling on what might happen, just give them what they want now. Exactly.We have a fast and dangerous sport that attracts finally a decent sponsor because of its image.Then we are being told we should be careful because mulit nationals are wary of dangerous sports.Well what is the answer to that one?????I doubt if the sport as it is is big enough to bypass the smaller cutting edge sponsors and go straight for multi nationals.So we have to keep on hoping more and more smaller cutting edge sponsors follow Monster.As it is speedway is a dangerous sport,nothing we can do about it,so if multi nationals don't like them a bit of swearing isn't going to make that much difference Edited September 9, 2012 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Exactly.We have a fast and dangerous sport that attracts finally a decent sponsor because of its image.Then we are being told we should be careful because mulit nationals are wary of dangerous sports.Well what is the answer to that one?????I doubt if the sport as it is is big enough to bypass the smaller cutting edge sponsors and go straight for multi nationals.So we have to keep on hoping more and more smaller cutting edge sponsors follow Monster.As it is speedway is a dangerous sport,nothing we can do about it,so if multi nationals don't like them a bit of swearing isn't going to make that much difference You're both missing the point that Monster could easily be taken over tomorrow, as per AG Barr/ Britvic merger. So where does that leave the sport. If you wish to take a short term view on the sport that's your prerogative. I suppose the dates for next years SGP don't really need to be arranged n advance! But as you say let's keep on "hoping"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 You're both missing the point Maybe because there isn't a point you are making.....if my Auntie had balls she would be my Uncle.....They might get taken over.....BP might want to sponsor speedway.....i might win the Euro lottery and end speedways problems tomorrow.......Lewis Bridger might one day as predicted be world champion......Muslim fundamentalists might bring down western europe and ban motorsports anyway..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) Maybe because there isn't a point you are making.....if my Auntie had balls she would be my Uncle.....They might get taken over.....BP might want to sponsor speedway.....i might win the Euro lottery and end speedways problems tomorrow.......Lewis Bridger might one day as predicted be world champion......Muslim fundamentalists might bring down western europe and ban motorsports anyway..... True. But that was only one example. The main point I was making still stands. Maybe if you read my posts fully instead of looking for the flaws in them you'd understand them. Suppose I should feel flattered though that you've started trolling me instead of Philip Rising. Have a day off Trigger! Edited September 9, 2012 by george.m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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