iris123 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 You can see the fun loving sensitive guy that Nicki is on the Discovery Channel http://www.bt.dk/film-og-tv/se-nicki-pedersen-fortaelle-om-livet-som-speedwaykoerer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 You make a good argument but will agree to disagree I'm sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 How it should be sorted out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Ah the old Nicki is going to seriously injure someone line.. its only been said for about 15 years now. Of course you saw it a mile off, you're watching on tv and can see both riders. Nicki however isn't watching tv, he's racing a bike and knows the threat will come from the outside and he has to ensure that there is no way through there. AJ, if he hadn't have lost the plot because of his failure to score a pt in his first race and about to fail to score again (on his home track), would also have realised this and tried to switch back under Nicki. So many people keep saying Nicki 'fenced' AJ. Totally and utterly incorrect. a: They weren't even at the fence at the point of contact b: AJ actually went into the back of Nicki. They know when a rider is close, by the noise, but are often caught unawares by a change of line by the rider behind. Nicki will have anticipated AJ was trying the outside run and like ANY rider in that situation would have moved out to block it off the corner. If AJ had drawn alongside Nicki and Nicki had then continued to take him into the fence.. fair enough. He didn't.. he ran into the back of him. Agreed, at the point of contact Nicki and AJ is in the middle of the track. As long as AJ is close to Nicki, AJ has plenty of room on the outside. However since he has lost his balance after hitting Nicki's backwheel, he crashes into the fence. Edited September 10, 2012 by Ghostwalker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Yet have a full scale brawl you get 5 mins penalty.. I do agree riders should be fined if they are abusive to the referee though, even though its fun to watch Nicki get worked up. In our Elite League that's true but that's the equivlient of the Speedway Elite League. Under IIHF rules they get thrown out and possibly suspended. The referee may have been a tosser to a fair number of spectators who agree with Nicki but if he had excluded AJ he would have got similar criticism from those who didn't agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 NO need to exclude AJ as he didn't finish the race ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undercover Elephant Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Some interesting comments to read on this topic and enjoyed reading them from both view points on the rights and wrongs. You don't need to read a thread which turns into non constructive drivel with the best will in the world to put a point across. I fully expected this to end up with a lot of nonsense written but both view points on Nicki and his expressive ways have been argued in a positive way, and I completely see both sides on this. I don't want to make more of this than need be, I just like to read other people's thoughts. But regarding sponsors, I had a conversation with someone about this and showed them the footage of Nicki's outbust along with the prior footage of the racing incident in it's entirity. He said that you would think a sponsor of a particular team or individual person would have a quiet word with the organisers and seek clarification on comments and gestures aired, but most importantly the individual himself, especially if they are a main sponsor with a lot at stake perhaps. Take Red Bull as well as Monster which has been mentioned. Does it suit the RB image if this happened to one of there riders/drivers like Emil, Crump or a Travis Pastrana in Nascar? Personally, I would have some concerns if my name is plastered on a speedway racesuit and that rider in particular was seen on TV doing what Nicki did on Saturday night, that's just my opinion. I wouldn't want to see that from a business/commecial standpoint, but then most people wouldn't be that picky in noticing, only a sponsor perhaps?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Some interesting comments to read on this topic and enjoyed reading them from both view points on the rights and wrongs. You don't need to read a thread which turns into non constructive drivel with the best will in the world to put a point across. I fully expected this to end up with a lot of nonsense written but both view points on Nicki and his expressive ways have been argued in a positive way, and I completely see both sides on this. I don't want to make more of this than need be, I just like to read other people's thoughts. But regarding sponsors, I had a conversation with someone about this and showed them the footage of Nicki's outbust along with the prior footage of the racing incident in it's entirity. He said that you would think a sponsor of a particular team or individual person would have a quiet word with the organisers and seek clarification on comments and gestures aired, but most importantly the individual himself, especially if they are a main sponsor with a lot at stake perhaps. Take Red Bull as well as Monster which has been mentioned. Does it suit the RB image if this happened to one of there riders/drivers like Emil, Crump or a Travis Pastrana in Nascar? Personally, I would have some concerns if my name is plastered on a speedway racesuit and that rider in particular was seen on TV doing what Nicki did on Saturday night, that's just my opinion. I wouldn't want to see that from a business/commecial standpoint, but then most people wouldn't be that picky in noticing, only a sponsor perhaps?? Well Red Bull obviously weren't overly concerned by Emil physically assaulting Nicholls at Cardiff the other year, and I'm sure thats much worse than swearing and hand gestures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCaptain Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) There are two separate arguments here. Should Nicki have been excluded? Should he have reacted the way he did? The former does not justify the latter. Nicki moved out to cover the run, and there is valid debate over whether he was at fault for the accident. There is also evidence to suggest that this particular referee could be accused of making biased decisions where Nicki is concerned. Neither of these debates justifies publicly insulting the referee in such a manner, especially since Nicki had calmed down when Steve Brandon talked to him. Officials should be given respect by the participants during a match, no matter how incompetent those officials might be, and their incompetence should be dealt with away from the meeting. Edited September 11, 2012 by Shadow Captain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 There are two separate arguments here. Should Nicki have been excluded? Should he have reacted the way he did? The former does not justify the latter. Nicki moved out to cover the run, and there is valid debate over whether he was at fault for the accident. There is also evidence to suggest that this particular referee could be accused of making biased decisions where Nicki is concerned. Neither of these debates justifies publicly insulting the referee in such a manner, especially since Nicki had calmed down when Steve Brandon talked to him. Officials should be given respect by the participants during a match, no matter how incompetent those officials might be, and their incompetence should be dealt with away from the meeting. Spot on. That's why Nicki should be taken to task. It wasn't in the heat of the moment when he abused the ref. He had thinking time and he decided it was ok. He should be told it's not. As for evidence of bias that's a old one that goes back to the beginning of sport but the ref is never given the opportunity to prove otherwise. My mate used to shrug his shoulders and roll his eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 The fact remains that the ref is a tosser and probably the worst on the GP circuit. He's had it in for Nicki for ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 The fact remains that the ref is a tosser Takes one to know one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I seem to recall that Wayne Rooney was fined and banned for deliberately swearing into a tv camera so why should speedway's standards be lower? Do you think there ay be just the tiniest bit of difference between seeking out a camera, running up to it and swearing into it vs. reacting when you have a camera thrust into your face? Most of the Riders in the game today seem, to me, to be uneducated morons. I agree, stick a camera in front of a rider straight after an incident and don't be surprised to hear a bit of language but you only have to take a look at a number of high profile riders' Twitter feeds to see the language that is used... some of them even asking for sponsorship on the same feed... unbelievable! Michael Lee and Kenny Carter, 2 of the most volatile riders of the TV past always managed to curb their language, the worst I can remember either of them saying was "bloody"... compare this to the current World Champion saying B@stards live on national radio prior to the Cardiff GP, and he's supposedly the best the sport has to offer! I suggest that had Twitter been around 20 years ago the riders would havecome across equally badly! That said, watching footage of th 82 World Final, it is amazing how relatively calm and polite KC is on the phone to the ref. That said, when the track mic man interviewed him he said he was going to sue the referee, I'm not sure if that is better or worse than what Pedersen said? Also, we live in time where the C word is used on TV - I susect that swearing in the media has become more "acceptable" and this is reflected in the usage by riders. What amazes me about Nicki though is his undying loyal fans who never seem to be able to see fault..... despite watching the same speedway... seeing the same incidents..... knowing the guy's tactics................... he is an exciting rider who is willing to put himself on the edge but it will never give him a free pass to risk others and bring nonsense I'm not sure anyone who has posted on here is blind to Nicki's faults? The incident itself has divided opinion, but i think the majority view is that Nicki was unlucky. Most agree that Nicki can be "dirty" but also "box office" - but also that almost all World Champions have that hard edge - was Penhall dirty because he barged Nielsen aside in 81 and took Carter to the fence in 82? His outbursts about the ref has been defended on the grounds that SKy knew exacty what the reaction would be when they thrust the camera in his face, but I don't think anyone has condoned his comments about AJ Interview a footballer straight after a dubious red card and see what happens? Nicki did well to just use to$$er. Exactly. Imagine the reaction if Sky tried to interview Alex Ferguson a minute after a controversial penalty had been given against Utd in the run in to te title. Dont want your kids hearing swearing from Nicki, but ok for their "pop star idols" to come out with it all the time. This is a strange hyprocricy in general - Rock stars can swear, do drugs, cheat on their partners - it's expected. But when sportsmen - who have similar amounts of money and fame from a young age - do the same it is scandalous. Anyway my thoughts: Nicki was unlucky, and understandably angry about it. I'm sure the broadcasters won't be unhappy about his rant. People moan about today's riders being bland, but then moan when someone is like Nicki. Was there ever a less popular (outside of his own team's support) than Kenny Carter, but I reckon he must have guaranteed a few hundred extra on the gate each meeting, becase everyone loves to boo the pantomime villain. If Nickis was excluded on reputation, he has no-one to blame but himself, just as if Joey Barton puts the heed on someone, he might get a less sympathetic reaction than say Zidane did. Will Nicki's "dirtiness" cloud how he is viewed by history - I doubt it (and he won't care if it does). Schumacher is still viewed as a Formula I great but he could certainly be dirty. Takes one to know one. but by saying that, are you saying that you know Blazeaway to be one thereby indicating ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Rebel Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 There are two separate arguments here. Should Nicki have been excluded? Should he have reacted the way he did? The former does not justify the latter. Nicki moved out to cover the run, and there is valid debate over whether he was at fault for the accident. There is also evidence to suggest that this particular referee could be accused of making biased decisions where Nicki is concerned. Neither of these debates justifies publicly insulting the referee in such a manner, especially since Nicki had calmed down when Steve Brandon talked to him. Officials should be given respect by the participants during a match, no matter how incompetent those officials might be, and their incompetence should be dealt with away from the meeting. Good post SC. Whether Nicki was guilty or AJ was at fault will be debated for a long time, Nicki's immediate reaction after the exclusion where he swore during the interview was understandable as he felt he was wronged. However on two occasions well after the incident as he was being filmed going back to his place in the pits, as they do with many other riders, he flicked a "V" sign at the camera and therefore at the thousands of speedway fans, some NP supporters, that were watching. This behaviour to the fans, that pay his wages, was inexcusable and unacceptable. I don't know what action the FIM can take but this should not be glossed over as "Nicki being Nicki", disrespect to the officials is one thing, god knows that paticular referee deserves it sometime, contempt for the fans is another matter entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 but by saying that, are you saying that you know Blazeaway to be one thereby indicating ... Mate, all I'm saying is what I wrote - if you want to read something else into it that's your prerogative, but don't go mind-reading on me, please. What would you call someone whose main contribution to any debate on here is to call anyone whom he 'doesn't like' or has the temerity to fall foul of him a Bell End or a Tosser behind their back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 What would you call someone whose main contribution to any debate on here is to call anyone whom he 'doesn't like' or has the temerity to fall foul of him a Bell End or a Tosser behind their back? Didn't know that Nicki posts on here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/1835/nicki-says-sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 AJ was going for a gap that was not going to be there. He had enough time to shut off and let Nicki go but saw an opportunity to get Nicki out and take a tumble so he could say that his last few GP's were influenced by an injury and get a wild card for next season. Now how's that for a theory! I had a somewhat blurred vision the time this actually happened, but having just seen the replay I still think AJ was at fault. A REAL shame though that it ended how it did (for him), since it meant also that Rospiggarna failed to qualify for next years Elitserien in Sweden. AJ gambled and lost BIG TIME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Mate, all I'm saying is what I wrote - if you want to read something else into it that's your prerogative, but don't go mind-reading on me, please. What would you call someone whose main contribution to any debate on here is to call anyone whom he 'doesn't like' or has the temerity to fall foul of him a Bell End or a Tosser behind their back? Do one ya Welsh tosser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Another brilliant addition to the debate by the master of wit and repartee - must've changed hands again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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