george.m Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 it is more common than you would think george. i heard theo got a £150 fine a few weeks ago when the ref believed he made no effort to clear the track after a fall. definitely 2 witches in that boat tonight, whilst it makes you mad and is blatant cheating you'll never get rid of it completely. all teams do it and i'm sure at the business end of the season most clubs will pay the fine as it can be worth it, it probably gained ipswich a point tonight. would much prefered to have seen marcel try to keep tatlor behind him for another 2 laps. i think you need to relax the rules around awarding races and give refs the option of awarding a 5-1 in this situation regardless of how many laps have been done. Agree with relaxing the rules totally. I pay to watch 4 riders race, not "cheating" or using the rules to advantage (recent World Cup fiasco). Yes I know it happens, but I don't agree with it! I wasn't at the meeting last night, but if I had been it would have been as neutral and there to watch racing. Assuming there was cheating (don't doubt others, just didn't see it myself) then I'd be well hacked off. As for fines, like all forms of punishment they're supposed to act as a deterrent. So make a fine a real deterrent. Make riders/promoters think twice. And also put out of reach of a fans wipe round. Deliberately stay down - Fine £2,000. Yes I know, some will now say it's all about opinions and what if the ref gets it wrong. Well that's the tail wagging the dog. £2,000 fine and you'll see a lot more riders trying to get off the track pronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) Blimey the old sweaty socks are getting their knickers in a twist!! It sounds as if the old joke - welcome to Edinburgh...please put your watches back 25 years - appears to be not such a joke after all!!!! I would have thought the residents of Auld Reekie would have had more to exercise their minds!!!!!! Anyway a very good point for the Witches, although probably not enough to secure a play-off spot. Mind you that could all change if the weather were to deteriorate and the MOANarchs fail to get their fixtures completed by the designated time. What a delicious irony that would be, following their shameful failure to arrange fixtures earlier in the season. Edited September 8, 2012 by Mr Snackette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) **Puts tin hat on** Firstly I thought tonight was an extremely entertaining meeting, on a difficult track (due to weather we have had over the last 48 hours) so the first thing to do is say a massive well done and thanks to the track staff, who must have worked so hard to get, not just a meeting on, but a meeting which dished up some close exciting racing. My second thank you goes to Aaron Summers, what a superb choice of guest. A real shame he didn't get his maximum but will be extremely chuffed with tonight's showing. I hope the merry band of Redcar fans who were beside me enjoyed the meeting and have a safe journey home. Something really did annoy me tonight though. No it wasn't the "Gamesmanship" by Ipswitch riders, it was indeed a section of my fellow Monarch supporters. Halfway down the back straight stood a group of "Mature" gentleman who in my opinion are a disgrace to the Monarchs. From the end of heat 2 the vile and venom aimed at young marcel was disgusting. When told in a friendly kind of way "C'Mon lads he's just a young laddie" their venom was soon directed at their own fans. This was the only downer on my night, nothing the Ipswich rider did could match that disgusting behaviour. Now onto the "Gamesmanship" and this is where the tin hat comes in. Yes it is frustrating as a fan when your team is on a 5-1 and the race is stopped because a rider fails to leave the track, however some of the comments on here would only be justified if we Edinburgh were not guilty of having used these kind of tactics in the past also. Off the top of my head I can remember Theo and Derek both laying on track this season when the opposition have been on a 5-1. I think the problem tonight was that it happened two heats in a row, so frustration boiled over. But in my opinion it's all a todo about nothing. Can't wait for next Friday though. Let's hope the weather is a bit kinder to us than it's been of late. An honest man! Know exactly how you feel about the "vile and venom" at Armadale. I've posted on here several times about sections of the Edinburgh support whose language is totally inappropriate for a family support. What makes it worse in my personal experience is they're mature people who should simply know better when kids are standing next to them. I no longer take my daughter and at Matty's testimonial I brought the brother in law who was visiting us. He has three kids who wanted to come. The better halves refused due to past experience. So that was 4 lost customers. In addition to one potential regular customer. JDC and Harkess, get your house in order! Your own fans are losing you business! Now the Edinburgh Defence Association will say I'm having a dig. No I'm not! Cut out the emotion guys and get your head out the sand. Oh, I've just remembered, they don't come on the BSF anymore because of people like me who speak their mind and don't think all things Edinburgh speedway are perfect. That's three honest Edinburgh posters we've seen of late, msc1874 and Ekimba too. Why is it they have to qualify their posts when giving an honest opinion? i.e. "Puts tin hat on" What's wrong with giving an honest opinion? Is the peer pressure of the wrong type from some Edinburgh posters on here? Blimey the old sweaty socks are getting their knickers in a twist!! It sounds as if the old joke - welcome to Edinburgh...please put your watches back 25 years - appears to be not such a joke after all!!!! I would have thought the residents of Auld Reekie would have had more to exercise their minds!!!!!! Anyway a very good point for the Witches, although probably not enough to secure a play-off spot. Mind you that could all change if the weather were to change, and the MOANarchs fail to get their fixtures completed by the designated time. What a delicious irony that would be, following their shameful failure to arrange fixtures earlier in the season. If they put their watches back would that not make them late for the meeting? Edited September 8, 2012 by george.m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 By beating Ipswich tonight the Scotwaste Monarchs ensured that they remain favourites to grab the sixth Playoff position in the Premier League, though the Witches would be happy enough to take a point in what was rather a contentious affair. Some blatant gamesmanship marred the latter stages of the match, with both Matt Tresarrieu and Rohan Tungate causing stoppages by failing to clear the track when their team was on the wrong end of 1-5 situations, and as ever Speedway’s regrettably feeble rulebook allowed the referee no sanction other than to issue fines. The requirement for all four riders to have completed two laps (including the faller, at the back, on the fourth corner of lap two, excluded from the rerun) is simply ridiculous and a more intelligent rule is urgently required. The current situation has been called a “cheats’ charter” and that was how it looked tonight. Taken from the Monarchs site,sounds interesting happenings at Armadale last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 By beating Ipswich tonight the Scotwaste Monarchs ensured that they remain favourites to grab the sixth Playoff position in the Premier League, though the Witches would be happy enough to take a point in what was rather a contentious affair. Some blatant gamesmanship marred the latter stages of the match, with both Matt Tresarrieu and Rohan Tungate causing stoppages by failing to clear the track when their team was on the wrong end of 1-5 situations, and as ever Speedway’s regrettably feeble rulebook allowed the referee no sanction other than to issue fines. The requirement for all four riders to have completed two laps (including the faller, at the back, on the fourth corner of lap two, excluded from the rerun) is simply ridiculous and a more intelligent rule is urgently required. The current situation has been called a “cheats’ charter” and that was how it looked tonight. Taken from the Monarchs site,sounds interesting happenings at Armadale last night. Me wonders if the same sentiments apply when it's an Edinburgh rider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Derek Sneddon did exactly this at Ipswich Thursday night as soon as an Ipswich rider went along side him into turn 3 he laid the bike down and stayed down as Ipswich were on a 5-1. In the rerun Thomas Jorgensen who was nowhere in the original staging won it. Looks like a case of it's okay if we do it but if someone does it to us they are cheats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) I think you can ignore the Edinburgh website, as it was written by a Mike Hunter...one of the more myopic MOANarchs' correspondents in our sport. Pete Simmons has had his say. Recent tweets include: "Rohan Tungate laying down & not getting up to clear track! His second 'big off' of the evening-get real! You don't crash that hard for reruns!" He then followed this up with: "'cheats' ha Edinburgh website report fails to mention the 'homer start Marshall' not allowing Dakota North to use a rut in 15 he used in 11." Tungate himself wasn't over impressed: "What a dump, and what a s*t night for me!..." Still it augers well for the KO Cup Semi, which may well get a little tasty......assuming of course that the MOANarchs riders' can fit the meeting in to their otherwise busy social calendar!!!! Edited September 8, 2012 by Mr Snackette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) An honest man! Know exactly how you feel about the "vile and venom" at Armadale. JDC and Harkess, get your house in order! Your own fans are losing you business! Now the Edinburgh Defence Association will say I'm having a dig. No I'm not! Is the peer pressure of the wrong type from some Edinburgh posters on here? 1) same sadly at all tracks have fans that are known idiots, just like the glasgow fans who greet monarchs fans with "**** off scum" while queueing to get in to ashfield in front of kids. the record when i've been is 8 times at one of the 2008 matches. 2) jdc has spoken to fans when its been brought to his attention in the past. 3) when do you do anything else put pontificate on issues like this. 4) hardly any monarchs fans on here to have peer pressure due to the likes of you dragging every monarchs thread down, no things edinburgh ain't perfect but trashing every thread must get tiresome even for you surely. 5) staying down is wrong whomever does it. should be interesting return in the sf, simmons, north, tungate n poole were certainly making it interesting with the mouthing off in the pits, should be a barn stormer, bring frede schott back for the event lol. if they wanted to get edinburgh's back up they succeeded. Edited September 8, 2012 by Dekker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 I have been to various meetings over all leagues for quite a few years now and have seen various riders from the same all leagues coming off and staying down. I'm not saying it is right, in fact, in frustrates and annoys the hell out of me (whether it is my team doing it or the opposing team) but it does happen pretty much all the time, so in that, Ipswich are not the only culprits. Obviously, I cannot comment properly on what happened last night as I was not there but I do understand how the Monarch fans must be feeling...but then I also understand the views of my fellow Ipswich fans and the promotion. It happens, it is normal...even if it should not be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) Isn't it a sad statement on the current state of the sport (and simply the way most things are these days) that so many shorts are in such a tangle? So, it's all added a little bit of edge to the upcoming semi final. That'll be a good thing, then. Wasn't there at time when all meetings were like this? OK, maybe not ALL, but a bit of added spice seemed to be almost the norm, as opposed to the vanilla flavour of most contests these days. AS for the comment earlier about how such races should be awarded, even if its ridiculously ealy in the race, that would be the worst thing that could happen. God forbid if an incident - any incident - winds the crowd up a bit, making victory something to be savoured all the more or defeat something to be avenged at a later date. That might even (gulp!).... attract more spectators to the following meetings! Edited September 8, 2012 by Backless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) Isn't it a sad statement on the current state of the sport (and simply the way most things are these days) that so many shorts are in such a tangle? nah its just the bsf on a normal day, mr snacky likes his wedgies, just got to know how to press his n his fellow twitches buttons with a mallett. should be big crowds for the sf who likes the smell of napalm after heat 15 Edited September 8, 2012 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) 1) same sadly at all tracks have fans that are known idiots, just like the glasgow fans who greet monarchs fans with "**** off scum" while queueing to get in to ashfield in front of kids. the record when i've been is 8 times at one of the 2008 matches. Every time I mention this subject it gets a partisan response from the head in the sand supporters. It doesn't make it right wherever it happens! Come Dekker, surely you're above descending to the depths of points scoring on this particular matter? 2) jdc has spoken to fans when its been brought to his attention in the past. Good on him if he does, it's what I'd expect from him! 3) when do you do anything else put pontificate on issues like this. LOL! Try reading some other threads and avoid selective memory! When do you post more than one line put downs? Come to think of it, when do you post more than one line? When do you do anything other than troll? And even scores with other posters? When do you post anything you've not read on Updates or elsewhere on the internet? When do you actually go to a meeting? 4) hardly any monarchs fans on here to have peer pressure due to the likes of you dragging every monarchs thread down, no things edinburgh ain't perfect but trashing every thread must get tiresome even for you surely. Dragging every Monarchs thread down? LOL! I'll bow to your superior knowledge on dragging things down and general negativity. Simply from personal experience, if they dish out they should have the RS McColls to take it back. And they shouldn't make false untrue claims to other posters in PMs!! If it takes one man's posts for them to leave the forum you're either a lesser man than I give you credit for, for believing that schoolgirl tell-taling. Or they weren't very committed to the forum in the first place. There is also an ignore button they can use. On the postiive side .... At least you've stopped psychoanalysing other posters recently. Edited September 8, 2012 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) Every time I mention this subject it gets a partisan response from the head in the sand supporters. It doesn't make it right wherever it happens! Come Dekker, surely you're above descending to the depths of points scoring on this particular matter? 1) What response, there are so few Monarchs on here to get one. 2) No it doesn't make it right, but you keep banging the drum in a partisan manner so much your point is lost. 3) with you there is only point scoring, as that's the tone of your posts. 4) see 3. Edited September 8, 2012 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) 1) What response, there are so few Monarchs on here to get one. 2) No it doesn't make it right, but you keep banging the drum in a partisan manner so much your point is lost. 3) with you there is only point scoring, as that's the tone of your posts. 4) see 3. 1. Read previous posts to get your facts right, then you'll post from a knowledge based point of view rather than a biased one. 2. Was commenting on someone else's post, a Monarch at that! Have you ever thought that the bad language happens on so many visits that it is actually a current topic! Oh and by the way, I was commenting on the lost business to your club!!! But of course you don't see that do you? No, you don't even see that I'm bringing new speedway supporters to your club!!! Such negativity! How often do you or any of your fellow Monarchs actually go to Ashfield for a 'neutral' meeting? Never mind even try to bring new people to speedway at the same venue? Aye, exactly!! Did you see my previous post about bringing a friend and his family to Armadale using the Groupon voucher? Aye exactly! That's a true speedway supporter! So don't talk to me about partisan. Your lot don't even go to support their team at Ashfield. Oh yeah, don't tell me, that's because someone upset them once! Do you see a pattern here with Monarchs fans giving someone else's doings as a reason for not doing something. And while we're at it how often do you go to Armadale? At least I was at these meetings in the first place! Putting money into the coffers of the Auld Enemy to boot!! Don't talk to me about partisan, actions speak louder than trolling one liners! Edited September 8, 2012 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) bang bang goes the partisan drum you have more beats than the black bear... 1) i read your posts, you can make a fair point when you try but mostly you show your chip on the shoulder, if there is behaviour that's less than ideal at edinburgh, you know who to contact, i'm sure they would be open to discussion. 2) you make a big play on the taking new ppl angle but mostly its excuses as to why you don't due to the behaviour of fans, if so see point 1. 3) why would anyone go to ashfield as a neutral, tracks been progressively neutered by dick n dickson in the name of home advantage. ask ppl what racing was like pre-2004. then amateur hour repairs that's dragged down glasgow now. 4) the numbers of monarchs going to ashfield took a hit after the sun off and a bigger hit after the average fiasco in 2010, all self inflicted plus a bit of point 3. 5) not as much as i like or could when i was in hamilton. Edited September 8, 2012 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) bang bang goes the partisan drum you have more beats than the black bear... 1) i read your posts, you can make a fair point when you try but mostly you show your chip on the shoulder, if there is behaviour that's less than ideal at edinburgh, you know who to contact, i'm sure they would be open to discussion. 2) you make a big play on the taking new ppl angle but mostly its excuses as to why you don't due to the behaviour of fans, if so see point 1. 3) why would anyone go to ashfield as a neutral, tracks been progressively neutered by dick n dickson in the name of home advantage. ask ppl what racing was like pre-2004 4) the numbers of monarchs going to ashfield took a hit after the sun off and a bigger hit after the average fiasco in 2010, all self inflicted plus a bit of point 3. 5) not as much as i like or could when i was in hamilton. 1. The onus shouldn't be on me to report, your fellow supporters should behave in an appropriate manner in the first place! 2. Have NEVER used as an excuse not to bring new supporters NEVER! Utter bollards! Show me where this was posted! 5. Aye exactly! I'll bet I've put more money in the Edinburgh fuel fund than you've paid at the gate. But let's not let facts like that get in the way of your preconceived agenda! Edited September 8, 2012 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) 1) true but if they are out of order report it, warnings have been issued in the past with threatened cancelling of season tickets. 2) see quote from this thread... I no longer take my daughter and at Matty's testimonial I brought the brother in law who was visiting us. He has three kids who wanted to come. The better halves refused due to past experience. So that was 4 lost customers. In addition to one potential regular customer. 3) i just reply to your own posts, i can't help it if you can't recognise your own feral bias, you and snapper re peas in a pod a chip on each shoulder. i know things aint perfect at edin re viewing n the stadium, its not armadump for nothing, yes some of the clientèle can be less than welcoming, i've had a few rows with some over language but the same could be said about some of the glasgow ppl too but i don't keep going on about it here all the time as for PM's i'll tell you to your face what my views are when i'm up next if you want a chat, i don't have to sink to repeatedly using PM's to threaten ppl with a doing like some other glasgow fans have done when i lived in hamilton. Edited September 8, 2012 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) 1) true but if they are out of order report it, warnings have been issued in the past with threatened cancelling of season tickets. 2) see quote from this thread... 3) i just reply to your own posts, i can't help it if you can't recognise your own feral bias, you and snapper re peas in a pod a chip on each shoulder. i know things aint perfect at edin re viewing n the stadium, its not armadump for nothing, yes some of the clientèle can be less than welcoming, i've had a few rows with some over language but the same could be said about some of the glasgow ppl too but i don't keep going on about it here all the time as for PM's i'll tell you to your face what my views are when i'm up next if you want a chat, i don't have to sink to repeatedly using PM's to threaten ppl with a doing like some other glasgow fans have done when i lived in hamilton. 1. Good, glad we agree they're out of order which is the point I made until you brought in point scoring. That's time I'll never get back. 2 Read your own post - "you make a big play on the taking new ppl angle but mostly its excuses as to why you don't" a. They're not new people they've been before!!!!!! b. It's not an excuse. If their mothers don't want them to go it's not an excuse, it's a reason. c. I've brought plenty of new people to Edinburgh in the many years it's been at Armadale. Have you? Must try harder Dekker! Suppose you can't say anything positive about a Tiger bringing new people to Edinburgh, you'd lose face on the MoanZone. Deplorable you've had threatening PMs from Glasgow fans, not acceptable. End of. I wasn't referring to you in PMs context rather what had been written in one about me which was totally untrue. I don't even know the originator! You actually are going on about the bad language at Edinburgh. By the frequency of your posts you've succeeded in raising its profile. Can I not comment on what another member posted this morning and refer to my recent experience! This is the BSF, not the MoanZone. Here you don't have to follow the three line whip, eh! Finally, just Googled "chip on shoulder" and first result took me to your BSF Profile Page. Edited September 8, 2012 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 not stopping you commenting Try reading the post and believing what you read! Not that hard? Or is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) i just know your having trouble with anyone who holds a contrary view of your continuous monarch bashing Edited September 8, 2012 by Dekker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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