speedibee Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Straight into the elite league for the lad and gp wiidcard next year . no amount of pressure and expectation is too much lets start piling it on now .after all the kids british .I would expect nothing less . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Yeah right.We have a few youngsters who seem to be doing great at the moment.Robert,Nathan Greaves,Zach Wajknecht and Adam Ellis to name the most prominent(to me at least).The good thing is they all seem to be taking different routes,which proves no one way is the right way nor does one suit all.What should we do when they get a bit of success?Ignore it?Of course not.But neither does a few words or threads on a forum put untold pressure on any of them.It is though the way that they deal with pressure(and that comes mainly from their own success)that will sort out the also rans from the champions.At some stage they stop turning up to meetings being the rank outsider or one of the spoilers,but they become one of if not the favourite to win.And how they cope with that is the deciding factor.And how they cope with criticism and how they deal with the success. Let us not get too sarky over this and just see how things go.Maybe for varying factors none progress to Elite or GP level.maybe they all do or mabye something in between.Of course we desperately need a top GP standard rider or two.Long time waiting.It is almost getting to the heights of the American search for the Boxing "great white hope". But at least at the moment other riders are having the pressure heaped on them.Sadly none arereally coping that well with it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Straight into the elite league for the lad and gp wiidcard next year . no amount of pressure and expectation is too much lets start piling it on now .after all the kids british .I would expect nothing less . I fundamentally disagree with your sarcasm. Back in 1975 a 16 year old went (after a handful of NNL meetings with Boston) into a top division side, King's Lynn. Within two years he was in a run off for third place in a World Final. It was Michael Lee of course... The mistake we've made in recent years (over the GP era in effect) is to hold back the ambitions of young British riders... If they're good enough; they're old enough.. And there's a strong argument to show that youngsters don't feel the pressure they do when a bit older... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I fundamentally disagree with your sarcasm. Back in 1975 a 16 year old went (after a handful of NNL meetings with Boston) into a top division side, King's Lynn. Within two years he was in a run off for third place in a World Final. It was Michael Lee of course... The mistake we've made in recent years (over the GP era in effect) is to hold back the ambitions of young British riders... If they're good enough; they're old enough.. And there's a strong argument to show that youngsters don't feel the pressure they do when a bit older... Spot on, hence Len Silver trying to get dispensation for Robert to ride for the Raiders this season. Out of interest, is there any legal reason Robert couldn't race in the NL at 14 yet a 15 year old schoolboy can or is it a case of the BSPA being far too rigid with their own rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Spot on, hence Len Silver trying to get dispensation for Robert to ride for the Raiders this season. Out of interest, is there any legal reason Robert couldn't race in the NL at 14 yet a 15 year old schoolboy can or is it a case of the BSPA being far too rigid with their own rules. He won't need special dispensation. Robert's dob is 5th April 1998 so he'll very handily be 15 as the 2013 NL season starts! What he won't be able to do though, is to ride in any higher division 'til 2014... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 He won't need special dispensation. Robert's dob is 5th April 1998 so he'll very handily be 15 as the 2013 NL season starts! What he won't be able to do though, is to ride in any higher division 'til 2014... Sorry guess my post wasn't too clear, we tried to get dispensation for Robert to race in the NL this season (2012) I was wondering if this is a rule imposed by the SCB/BSPA stopping riders under 15 ride or if there was actually a real legal reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I fundamentally disagree with your sarcasm. Back in 1975 a 16 year old went (after a handful of NNL meetings with Boston) into a top division side, King's Lynn. Within two years he was in a run off for third place in a World Final. It was Michael Lee of course... The mistake we've made in recent years (over the GP era in effect) is to hold back the ambitions of young British riders... If they're good enough; they're old enough.. And there's a strong argument to show that youngsters don't feel the pressure they do when a bit older... And a more modern example would be Lewis Bridger..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I fundamentally disagree with your sarcasm. Back in 1975 a 16 year old went (after a handful of NNL meetings with Boston) into a top division side, King's Lynn. Within two years he was in a run off for third place in a World Final. It was Michael Lee of course... The mistake we've made in recent years (over the GP era in effect) is to hold back the ambitions of young British riders... If they're good enough; they're old enough.. And there's a strong argument to show that youngsters don't feel the pressure they do when a bit older... A vivid memory of my youth is young Mr Lee riding in his first senior meeting for the Cudas at New Hammond Beck Road in March 1975. A chilly early spring Sunday evening in a challenge match against Peterborough. Within weeks he was at the head of the Boston averages and was scoring for Kings' Lynn in the British League. If your good enough your old enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy17 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Why would he ride in NL, score plenty of points for peanuts? And that is all he would get compared to what he must be getting paid in Germany. His family are doing the right thing, and if anyone says it's wrong about missing NL because of the financial benefits, it's only what the promoters are there for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Sorry guess my post wasn't too clear, we tried to get dispensation for Robert to race in the NL this season (2012) I was wondering if this is a rule imposed by the SCB/BSPA stopping riders under 15 ride or if there was actually a real legal reason? Probably not legal as such. If it was, you'd imagine 16 not 15 would be a 'legal' cut-off. But there HAS to be a cut-off and I think (though the situation with Robert is fairly exceptional...), it is fair enough to have 15 as that cut-off. Would we REALLY want, say, 13 year olds racing and maybe ending up crashing and getting a badly broken leg or worse... Would that be good for the reputation of our sport..? Sorry guess my post wasn't too clear, we tried to get dispensation for Robert to race in the NL this season (2012) I was wondering if this is a rule imposed by the SCB/BSPA stopping riders under 15 ride or if there was actually a real legal reason? Probably not legal as such. If it was, you'd imagine 16 not 15 would be a 'legal' cut-off. But there HAS to be a cut-off and I think (though the situation with Robert is fairly exceptional...), it is fair enough to have 15 as that cut-off. Would we REALLY want, say, 13 year olds racing and maybe ending up crashing and getting a badly broken leg or worse... Would that be good for the reputation of our sport..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Probably not legal as such. If it was, you'd imagine 16 not 15 would be a 'legal' cut-off. But there HAS to be a cut-off and I think (though the situation with Robert is fairly exceptional...), it is fair enough to have 15 as that cut-off. Would we REALLY want, say, 13 year olds racing and maybe ending up crashing and getting a badly broken leg or worse... Would that be good for the reputation of our sport..? True, though he goes off to Germany and does it with parental permission, why not allow it here too, maybe with a competency test for riders who want to do such to prove that they are capable of controlling, not just riding a 500cc bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtree123 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Any news on what Robert is doing next year ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 riding in germany. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I have seen quite a lot of Robert practicing this year and the lad is definitly a special talent. However if it were down to me I would have him ride NL next year alongside whatever meetings he can get in Germany. It would seem very likely that he will only get beaten now and again in the NL but it will happen. It would also give him a lot more experience of different tracks and conditions in competitive circumstances, difficult to see how that can be bad thing until he is 16 and able to move up a league (or 2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtree123 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Do anyone know as yet which NL Team Robert has signed for? Would be really good to see him racing over here in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Do anyone know as yet which NL Team Robert has signed for? Would be really good to see him racing over here in England None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Would we REALLY want, say, 13 year olds racing and maybe ending up crashing and getting a badly broken leg or worse... Would that be good for the reputation of our sport..? can't they do that already in the U15 Championship then? or do they have different crashing regulations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 can't they do that already in the U15 Championship then? or do they have different crashing regulations? Yes but riding against their peers. Trust me I was in a stadium when a 15 year old riding in a senior meeting crashed and it was so bad (at the time) the Police had to attend to treat as a (potential) fatal accident. It was not something I'd ever want to repeat. Mercifully the lad made a full recovery but it could have been very different.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtree123 Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Anyone heard any news as to what Robert is doing this year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 He's simply too good for the NL Looks like he will be riding for Kent however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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