BWitcher Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 With regard to the Pedersen/Jonsson incident, everybody has and is entitled to their own view. However, I would just say that many who criticised NP after only seeing it live had a different view later in the evening while watching the highlights show on Swedish TV. Exactly as happened with myself. I am not a Nicki fan and have criticised him massively in the past. Live, I shouted at the TV, "Dirty Pedersen" or words to that effect. However, watching the replay it was obvious to anyone without a "nicki is the anti-christ" bias that Nicki did nothing wrong. He is front, clearly, and can choose his line. Try watching the final when Holder tries to come around Gollob off turn 4 early in the race, Gollob shoots straight across to block the run as ALL riders do. Holder knew there wasn't going to be a gap and throttled off a tad and looked for another line of attack. AJ didn't. He foolishly kept on going for a gap that was rapidly closing. AJ had the choice to back off, he went for it, he paid the price. It was foolish move from AJ, not only because the gap was never going to be there, but also he should KNOW that Nicki is not going to leave a gap. As another poster said, AJ was getting desperate, he'd failed to score in his first race and was about to fail to score again. His head went and he tried something dumb. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Perhaps thats a question for Leigh Adams as he is probably the best modern day rider to not win the world title. From my own point of view i have the utmost respect for leigh but none for nicki and i expect i am not alone in that opinion I can categorically state that when a speedway rider arrives to take part in a GP he has no thoughts whatsoever about how much 'respect' any fan or fans has for him. His only interest is in winning and becoming World Champion. If you or George M think otherwise, you're completely and utterly deluded. If respect from the fans comes with it, all well and good. If not, quite frankly I highly doubt many riders care. As for your comment of having no respect for Nicki Pedersen, thats sad. I have respect for each and every rider that races a speedway bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) I can categorically state that when a speedway rider arrives to take part in a GP he has no thoughts whatsoever about how much 'respect' any fan or fans has for him. His only interest is in winning and becoming World Champion. If you or George M think otherwise, you're completely and utterly deluded. If respect from the fans comes with it, all well and good. If not, quite frankly I highly doubt many riders care. As for your comment of having no respect for Nicki Pedersen, thats sad. I have respect for each and every rider that races a speedway bike. Never ceases to amaze me how black and white people see things. Never mind read a personal belief in a post. Must be deluded! Can't remember saying anything like that. Maybe dementia. Edited September 9, 2012 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 y I can categorically state that when a speedway rider arrives to take part in a GP he has no thoughts whatsoever about how much 'respect' any fan or fans has for him. His only interest is in winning and becoming World Champion. If you or George M think otherwise, you're completely and utterly deluded. If respect from the fans comes with it, all well and good. If not, quite frankly I highly doubt many riders care. As for your comment of having no respect for Nicki Pedersen, thats sad. I have respect for each and every rider that races a speedway bike. I dont respect a rider who deliberately tries to put another rider in the fence and i am not talking about saturday ,he has done it all his career. I know he doesnt care whether i respect him or not but the only respect the other riders seem to have is that not to try the outside line or it will end badly. He should at least have tbe decency to enquire that the other rider is ok. why do you think the wbole of cardiff stadium cheers when he comes last or is excluded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Never ceases to amaze me how black and white people see things. Never mind read a personal belief in a post. Must be deluded! You're the one who questioned it, so there's no 'amazement'. Avtar stated that you'd (not sure he actually meant 'you', but more speaking in general) rather be one of the greatest, with a few haters as opposed to the being thought of as the best rider to never win the WC with no haters. You questioned it by saying "Would I? You learn something everyday". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Interestingly today, Vettel was given a drive through for forcing Alonso off the track. The relevant rule says that when defending a lead you must leave a cars width between you and the edge of the track ie room to race. Putting aside any bias against any particular rider would this work in speedway (a bikes width before anyone points out they dont race cars)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 y I dont respect a rider who deliberately tries to put another rider in the fence and i am not talking about saturday ,he has done it all his career. I know he doesnt care whether i respect him or not but the only respect the other riders seem to have is that not to try the outside line or it will end badly. He should at least have tbe decency to enquire that the other rider is ok. why do you think the wbole of cardiff stadium cheers when he comes last or is excluded How do you know he hadn't enquired? How do you know he hadn't been told AJ was ok? How do you know what respect the other riders have for him, have you personally spoken to them all, or are you just assuming? Again, what relevance is the whole of Cardiff (and its not the whole of Cardiff, another exaggeration) boos him? Most of it is pantomine booing, its part of the sport. He's not the first and he won't be the last rider to be 'booed'. Speedway isn't a popularity contest, you don't get extra points for the loudest cheer. All Nicki cares about and all any of the riders in the GP care about is winning races. Folk moan there aren't any characters in the sport these days and the sport is poorer as a consequence.. thank god for Nicki then. Like him or loathe him, he creates talking points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 How do you know he hadn't enquired? How do you know he hadn't been told AJ was ok? How do you know what respect the other riders have for him, have you personally spoken to them all, or are you just assuming? Again, what relevance is the whole of Cardiff (and its not the whole of Cardiff, another exaggeration) boos him? Most of it is pantomine booing, its part of the sport. He's not the first and he won't be the last rider to be 'booed'. Speedway isn't a popularity contest, you don't get extra points for the loudest cheer. All Nicki cares about and all any of the riders in the GP care about is winning races. Folk moan there aren't any characters in the sport these days and the sport is poorer as a consequence.. thank god for Nicki then. Like him or loathe him, he creates talking points. I am sure all the riders he has put in the fence all agree he is a character!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Never ceases to amaze me how black and white people see things. Never mind read a personal belief in a post. Must be deluded! Can't remember saying anything like that. Maybe dementia. Maybe because I was replying to Foreverblue eh? I am sure all the riders he has put in the fence all agree he is a character!! No doubt they do, also no doubt that most aspire to be at the level that Nicki is at. Your very own (Poole) Chris Holder is no angel either and gives as good as he gets. Its a tough sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) There's 2 races take place simultaneously. Race 1 contains Nicki Pedersen, Nicki Pedersen, Nicki Pedersen and Nicki Pedersen. Race 2 contains Greg Hancock, Greg Hancock, Greg Hancock and Greg Hancock. You can watch 1 race, you can never see the other race. Which do you pick? 99% of people are going to watch Nicki take Nicki wide so Nicki and Nicki dive up the inside of both, then Nicki will turn left down the straight and the other will not budge so the left turning one crashes out, before he's even hit the floor he's got his hands up protesting. Meanwhile 4 Greg Hancocks are riding 4 laps around the kerb as nothing noteworthy happens. As Greg goes over the line Nicki is swearing at the referee as Nicki is abusing Nicki for daring to fall off. We're all abusing Nicki for falling off, causing Nicki to fall, riding the man and not the race and then swearing. We remember the Nicki race until we die while the Greg race is just another boring Greg race. Nicki is box office, I'll boo him at Cardiff, I'll moan about him, call him dirty and a cheat but I'll pay good money to watch Nicki Pedersen RACE a speedway bike. I love to hate Nicki and Nicki loves us to hate him. Edited September 9, 2012 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Maybe because I was replying to Foreverblue eh? No doubt they do, also no doubt that most aspire to be at the level that Nicki is at. Your very own (Poole) Chris Holder is no angel either and gives as good as he gets. Its a tough sport. Its a tough sport and a rider like nicki should be a role model not known for being dirty, he may have 3 world titles but he will always be dirty nicki, most riders are hard but not dirty. probably got e cluded saturday on reputation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Pedersen simply shut the door, if Jonsson had gone by no doubt some of the knobends on here would be questioning why Nicki had left a gap for him to go through. Imo no different to the recent Andersen/Ward final bend at Swindon, where Ward shut off when Andersen slammed the door, cant remember Hans getting slated for that apart from a few uneducated bufoons. If that had been any other rider nothing would of been said and if people were genuinely offended by Nickis post race behavior then get a life!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) You're the one who questioned it, so there's no 'amazement'. Avtar stated that you'd (not sure he actually meant 'you', but more speaking in general) rather be one of the greatest, with a few haters as opposed to the being thought of as the best rider to never win the WC with no haters. You questioned it by saying "Would I? You learn something everyday". Get a life! I replied in jest, taking his statement literally. And you know that! Simply because I find some of what is being posted on the subject as farcical. Someone posts a comment, then it's off and running for those who want to read more into it to further their means. One comment ain't DNA. Maybe because I was replying to Foreverblue eh? Maybe I was replying to this part of the post. Eh? "If you or George M think otherwise, you're completely and utterly deluded." You've continually confused observations I've made with what you think is my opinion and you are wide of the mark. No chance of you understanding someone else's posts if you don't even understand your own! Edited September 10, 2012 by george.m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 There's 2 races take place simultaneously. Race 1 contains Nicki Pedersen, Nicki Pedersen, Nicki Pedersen and Nicki Pedersen. Race 2 contains Greg Hancock, Greg Hancock, Greg Hancock and Greg Hancock. You can watch 1 race, you can never see the other race. Which do you pick? 99% of people are going to watch Nicki take Nicki wide so Nicki and Nicki dive up the inside of both, then Nicki will turn left down the straight and the other will not budge so the left turning one crashes out, before he's even hit the floor he's got his hands up protesting. Meanwhile 4 Greg Hancocks are riding 4 laps around the kerb as nothing noteworthy happens. As Greg goes over the line Nicki is swearing at the referee as Nicki is abusing Nicki for daring to fall off. We're all abusing Nicki for falling off, causing Nicki to fall, riding the man and not the race and then swearing. We remember the Nicki race until we die while the Greg race is just another boring Greg race. Nicki is box office, I'll boo him at Cardiff, I'll moan about him, call him dirty and a cheat but I'll pay good money to watch Nicki Pedersen RACE a speedway bike. I love to hate Nicki and Nicki loves us to hate him. Actually SCB, the Hancock, Hancock, Hancock and Hancock race could be the best race ever with loads of real clear and classy passes Unlike the Nicki race, where all the Nickis would end up in the fence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Get a life! I replied in jest, taking his statement literally. And you know that! Simply because I find some of what is being posted on the subject as farcical. Someone posts a comment, then it's off and running for those who want to read more into it to further their means. One comment ain't DNA. Maybe I was replying to this part of the post. Eh? "If you or George M think otherwise, you're completely and utterly deluded." You've continually confused observations I've made with what you think is my opinion and you are wide of the mark. No chance of you understanding someone else's posts if you don't even understand your own! No George M. You have constructed an argument throughout the entire thread, when shown the ridiculousness of your argument you resort to the old trick of "I was speaking in jest". Which basically means, I've been made to look an idiot here. I fully understand my posts, it's quite clear that you don't fully understand yours or you wouldn't have wasted your time arguing a case and then claiming that you didn't mean to. As for replying to "If you or George M think otherwise"... you've dropped yourself in it.. as you've just admitted above its what you said.. although of course now you claim it was in jest. Why don't we just clarify the situation completely George. Do you think riders care more about being World Champion or being respected by fans? Edited September 10, 2012 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Nikki incident. WOW close call for the ref! IMO Nikki was in front, never drastically changed line, was ridden into by the other rider, AJ's leg hits Nikkis back wheel (the back of the wheel) So Nikki was well in front! I realy think reputations of the riders made the refs call! Nikki (boo hiss bad man etc etc) AJ the good guy. Love watching Nikki 100% effort even when not the quickest (I know he can be brutal) Love watching AJ Top rider (Hope AJ is ok) Re the interview, well not good but to be expected. Professional interviewers know when to point a camera at people and when not to! (I think they wanted a fiery reaction) Great to see Gollob back on form (pretty ruthless form to) Holder well its his to lose now, great consistancy (He could have a fair few tropies soon!!!!!!!!!) Lindback wow his motors look super quick, and he seems to be able to ride more consistantly. Harris! gggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrr flashes of brilliance!!!!!! needs to spend 2 hours a day practicing gating, buy quicker kit, get a better set up (as always), maybe a new pit crew! I so want him to do well! But he HAS TO MAKE CHANGES NOT PLOD ALONG ! IF YOU DONT MAKE CHANGES THINGS STAY THE SAME !!!!!!!!!!!! M OH AND IT LOOKED LIKE SOME OF THE SCARIEST CLOSEST RACING OF THE YEAR! M Edited September 10, 2012 by Mixy230 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 No George M. You have constructed an argument throughout the entire thread, when shown the ridiculousness of your argument you resort to the old trick of "I was speaking in jest". Which basically means, I've been made to look an idiot here. I fully understand my posts, it's quite clear that you don't fully understand yours or you wouldn't have wasted your time arguing a case and then claiming that you didn't mean to. As for replying to "If you or George M think otherwise"... you've dropped yourself in it.. as you've just admitted above its what you said.. although of course now you claim it was in jest. Why don't we just clarify the situation completely George. Do you think riders care more about being World Champion or being respected by fans? Forgot to take your tablet this morning? Have a word with yourself man. If the posts of a total stranger on a forum get you so up tight there's a problem. How can you get your knickers in such a twist that you clearly cannot see through the red mist? Is no one allowed to make observations or state opinions different to yours? And must we all answer your questions? Oh sorry if I didn't, Sir. I simply didn't answer because of your highfalutin manner in this thread; the crass nature of the question; and the underlying motivation of your posts. In other words, I don't take you seriously. Your question is an insult to the intelligence and therefore didn't deserve a response. However, if it helps you sleep better tonight I'll let you into a little secret, but don't tell anyone else ..... No I don't think a rider's main priority is to be respected by fans more than to be world champion. There you go, I actually agree with you. But, then again I wasn't born yesterday as your condescending question implies. Is this the post that brought down the red mist? "Pedersen is so far up his own backside he wouldn't give a stuff what type of rider he'll be remembered as. He'll never be to speedway what other sportsmen are to their sports." If so, then try reading it when you've calmed down, and read it for what it says. Not what you'd like it to say so that you can go off on a rant. At this point the steam must be pouring out your ears. On the positive side I've just given you plenty of ammunition to go off on the mother of all rants. Can't wait for the response! We're watching the football here and it's rank. We need cheering up, so go on give the boys a good laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 WORLD CHAMPION! definatly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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