BluPanther Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 erm...keep up...They're Peterborough assets. Seems Peterborough have offered contracts to at least 5 riders of which they can only accommodate 2. I'm questioning why someone would do this and how they would fulfill the contracts if all the riders accepted. By your pathetic reply, I guess you don't know the answer. Im afraid you are deluded, they have not offered contracts to anyone other than Sundstrom. They have asked riders what terms they are looking for, and made offers to Hans, thats not a contract. Its really no ones business, they are entitled to negotiate with their assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Robin Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Im afraid you are deluded, they have not offered contracts to anyone other than Sundstrom. They have asked riders what terms they are looking for, and made offers to Hans, thats not a contract. Its really no ones business, they are entitled to negotiate with their assets. Offered terms/contract = same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) The usual retort as expected. I don`t state any lists other than what we already know. So that'd be a no and a yes then. I'm disappointed that you replied as I was hoping that I would be on your ignore list by now; and if we're talking of long lists Edited January 6, 2013 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) Offered terms/contract = same thing. Really? I, like many others on here I would imagine, was 'offered terms' which were then turned down, discussed or accepted. Only when terms were accepted and finalized was a contract offered. That was in business, not speedway. Edited January 6, 2013 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Offered terms/contract = same thing. = wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Offered terms/contract = same thing. Interesting that Barker doesn't seem to think so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 You, probably like me when I was still earning, only have one job. The men we're talking about already have two or three jobs within the EU without working in this country. In effect, they'd be asking the court to sanction their moonlighting and that's something I can't see being tackled with any haste. But it's only opinion and we'll all know two or three years after a rider does take legal action against their parent promoter. Any bets who'll be first and when? DON'T think it is like that. They only have one job... a speedway rider. In most if not all cases they are probably registered as a business. Joe Bloggs Racing ... who sell their product (themselves) where they can ... GB, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, etc. Preventing Joe Bloggs Racing from doing business in the UK, for example, could be construed as a restraint of trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Preventing Joe Bloggs Racing from doing business in the UK, for example, could be construed as a restraint of trade. have you seen what terms are agreed between a rider and club when they sign as a asset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Robin Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Interesting that Barker doesn't seem to think so. Sorry BCD, didn't make that entirely clear. Terms and contract are effectively the same thing. But the terms have to be accepted/agreed before they become the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Sorry BCD, didn't make that entirely clear. Terms and contract are effectively the same thing. But the terms have to be accepted/agreed before they become the contract. So, basically, 'terms' can be offered to more riders than are offered 'contracts'. Which was the point of blupanther's post which you appeared to be contradicting with your 'same thing' reply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Jack Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Sorry BCD, didn't make that entirely clear. Terms and contract are effectively the same thing. But the terms have to be accepted/agreed before they become the contract. For example: Ben Barker was offered "terms" by Mick Horton but these "terms" were not formulated into a contract therefore Ben has signed nothing. Agreeing something in principle does not make it legally binding if there is no signature on the dotted line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 So how will Peterborough react now Swindon have asked for permission to speak to Kenneth Bjerre as well as Hans & Troy. The plot thickens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 So how will Peterborough react now Swindon have asked for permission to speak to Kenneth Bjerre as well as Hans & Troy. The plot thickens. they'd probaly be refused ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 they'd probaly be refused ??? Then that really would be stupid & petty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Then that really would be stupid & petty. Yes but is the likely outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 For example: Ben Barker was offered "terms" by Mick Horton but these "terms" were not formulated into a contract therefore Ben has signed nothing. Agreeing something in principle does not make it legally binding if there is no signature on the dotted line. Its got nothing to do with whats in writing, its do with what is in the minds of the parties. All a written contract does is remove any doubt or confusion about the terms of the contract. As Midland Robin said terms and contract are effectively the same thing but payment has to be agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Its got nothing to do with whats in writing, its do with what is in the minds of the parties. All a written contract does is remove any doubt or confusion about the terms of the contract. As Midland Robin said terms and contract are effectively the same thing but payment has to be agreed. A written contract is legally binding, a vebal agreement is legally binding although hard to prove without a witness. A conversation about terms is not legally binding, it is negoiation. Until both parties agree on terms in writing or verbally, it is not a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Jack Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Its got nothing to do with whats in writing, its do with what is in the minds of the parties. All a written contract does is remove any doubt or confusion about the terms of the contract. As Midland Robin said terms and contract are effectively the same thing but payment has to be agreed. Conversation may go something like: Mick: Ben, I'd like to offer you a 2013 team spot and I'm willing to offer you £xxx per point. Ben: That's great Mick, seems like a really good offer. Ben: Hi Mick, Birmingham have changed their race night and I'd very much like it if you would grant permission for me to speak with them. Mick: WHAT!!!!!! YOU SAID YOU WOULD RACE FOR COVENTRY!!! HOW VERY DARE YOU!!! YOU WILL BE IN MY TEAM FOR 2013!!! Ben: But Mick, I never signed anything?!? Mick: Doesn't matter!! You agreed terms with me, if you don't ride for me, I'm going to price you out of a deal so you can't ride for anyone and I don't care if I don't earn a loan fee for you!! See how those pesky Brummies like them apples! Live in the real world, the contract is the legally binding agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Conversation may go something like: Or conversation may also go something like: Mick: Ben, I'd like to offer you a 2013 team spot and I'm willing to offer you £xxx per point. Ben: That's great Mick, you've got yourself a deal. Graham Drury: Ben, Good news Birmingham have changed their race night so I can get you in the team after all. Ben: Oh bugger, I've already agreed to ride for Coventry Graham Drury: Oh dear, have you actually got anything in writing? Did you sign anything? Ben: No. I just agreed it verbally. Graham Drury: OK, well just deny everything. Say you never agreed, you were just thinking about it. Of course I'm not suggesting anyone would do anything dishonest like that, but you invented a hypothetical conversation. I'm just demonstrating how easy it is to make up a different hypothetical conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Conversation may go something like: Mick: Ben, I'd like to offer you a 2013 team spot and I'm willing to offer you £xxx per point. Ben: That's great Mick, seems like a really good offer. Ben: Hi Mick, Birmingham have changed their race night and I'd very much like it if you would grant permission for me to speak with them. Mick: WHAT!!!!!! YOU SAID YOU WOULD RACE FOR COVENTRY!!! HOW VERY DARE YOU!!! YOU WILL BE IN MY TEAM FOR 2013!!! Ben: But Mick, I never signed anything?!? Mick: Doesn't matter!! You agreed terms with me, if you don't ride for me, I'm going to price you out of a deal so you can't ride for anyone and I don't care if I don't earn a loan fee for you!! See how those pesky Brummies like them apples! Live in the real world, the contract is the legally binding agreement. Where, in your scenario, has Ben agreed to accept the offer and that he'd ride for Coventry? He only stated it seemed a good offer. If that's binding then several riders a year agree to ride for more than one club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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