PHILIPRISING Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 ONE problem is that British tracks are reluctant to put riders on a three or even two year contract (quite common in Poland and Sweden) because the goalposts keeping being moved every winter... and therein lies your answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 In all honesty it's not an easy one to answer, when Rick purchased the club most of the assets were clearly part of the price, he has since bought Sundstrom so has invested heavily. I personally think the asset system is well past it's sell by date and legally how can someone be a club asset when no current contract exists between rider and club (as in football). It's been asked by a couple of other posters (and it's existence seemingly ignored as though it doesn't exist by another who ought to be in the know) but what happens when a rider changes clubs for a transfer fee? Does he sign paperwork which is also signed by selling and buying clubs before being forwarded to Rugby or can it all be done over the phone with no paperwork being completed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Straight question all you Panthers fans out there in forumland...how many of you actually want Hans or Troy back?...and TR in particular perhaps an under committed rider?..just a question before certain snippy merchants vent It's more about where they go and not sorting ourselves out first with equal or better options rather than wanting them back. I'd say Andersen would be first on most Panthers fans teams atm but I'm not so sure about Batch. Honest question ..how do you think the system shoud work ? It's fine as it is as long as the exising rules are enforced but I'd add an additional clause that a club can recall any of their assets, providing that they intend to use them, up to December 31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starboy118 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 It's more about where they go and not sorting ourselves out first with equal or better options rather than wanting them back. I'd say Andersen would be first on most Panthers fans teams atm but I'm not so sure about Batch. It's fine as it is as long as the exising rules are enforced but I'd add an additional clause that a club can recall any of their assets, providing that they intend to use them, up to December 31. A lot of the assets cannot be used by the parent club because of the team-building averages limit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 It's been asked by a couple of other posters (and it's existence seemingly ignored as though it doesn't exist by another who ought to be in the know) but what happens when a rider changes clubs for a transfer fee? Does he sign paperwork which is also signed by selling and buying clubs before being forwarded to Rugby or can it all be done over the phone with no paperwork being completed? All transfers used to go through the BSPA office with the appropriate BSPA cut and admin costs. I am sure that doesn't surprise anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) A lot of the assets cannot be used by the parent club because of the team-building averages limit I know, we've been through that! They may also not want to ride but then change their mind or otherwise become available. Edited December 7, 2012 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantherite Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Anyway, back to the OT... I think we'll be going with: K. Bjerre Sundstrom Buczkowski Fisher Kosciuch L. Bjerre Lawson Solid at home, dodgy away, typical Panthers fare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Let's hope you're wrong! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantherite Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Let's hope you're wrong! I hope i'm wrong too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Snap! I reckon we will see Fisher, Larsen and Hougaard, throw in Kosciuch, Bjerre, Sundstrom and Lawson, and thats your lot. Wont be bad, at home, decent, away, erratic. Theres a shock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 All transfers used to go through the BSPA office with the appropriate BSPA cut and admin costs. I am sure that doesn't surprise anyone. So why should it be considered unreasonable for Mr Frost to want to have some say in where his asset rides or to want to be consulted by any possible future employer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 So why should it be considered unreasonable for Mr Frost to want to have some say in where his asset rides or to want to be consulted by any possible future employer? Whether its unreasonable doesn't matter. The law says he has no say in it and that's all there is too it. You may well take the view that the "the law is an ass" (to quote Charles Dickens) but its still the law. Freedom of employment and all that. I am not saying its right or wrong but that's the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Whether its unreasonable doesn't matter. The law says he has no say in it and that's all there is too it. You may well take the view that the "the law is an ass" (to quote Charles Dickens) but its still the law. Freedom of employment and all that. I am not saying its right or wrong but that's the way it is. It maybe the law, but there are still association regulations and courtesies to follow!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Anyway, back to the OT... I think we'll be going with: K. Bjerre - Hope you are correct Sundstrom - We all know of course Buczkowski - Hope your correct Fisher - Hope you are wrong Kosciuch - Hope you are wrong L. Bjerre - Hope you are wrong Lawson - Hope you are correct Solid at home, dodgy away, typical Panthers fare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) Whether its unreasonable doesn't matter. The law says he has no say in it and that's all there is too it. You may well take the view that the "the law is an ass" (to quote Charles Dickens) but its still the law. Freedom of employment and all that. I am not saying its right or wrong but that's the way it is. But is it the law? If Puk signed a document giving his parent club the right to first refusal or whatever that would be taken into account. This is totally different to the Bosman ruling and we're talking people who are already employed in two or three other countries so hardly come into the gissajob category the EU rules came in to protect. Edited December 8, 2012 by Barney Rabbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) But is it the law? If Puk signed a document giving his parent club the right to first refusal or whatever that would be taken into account. This is totally different to the Bosman ruling and we're talking people who are already employed in two or three other countries so hardly come into the gissajob category the EU rules came in to protect. Exactly. We won't know 'the law' until it's tested but I can't see it being tested anytime soon. Edited December 8, 2012 by Vincent Blackshadow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I fully realize that Kenneth Bjerre is part of Rick Frost's team building plans due to his not inconsiderable outlay in not only his BEL career but in his past SGP activities but I still feel that Hans Andersen would be a more popular signing by many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I fully realize that Kenneth Bjerre is part of Rick Frost's team building plans due to his not inconsiderable outlay in not only his BEL career but in his past SGP activities but I still feel that Hans Andersen would be a more popular signing by many. Jury is out on this 1, this time last year I saw many posters not wanting Bjerre, but this year the majortity seem to... Also Hans wants to stay at Swindon just like Batchelor does, yet Bjerre wants to be at Peterborough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I fully realize that Kenneth Bjerre is part of Rick Frost's team building plans due to his not inconsiderable outlay in not only his BEL career but in his past SGP activities but I still feel that Hans Andersen would be a more popular signing by many. You are undoubtably right but the fans dont pick the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) But is it the law? If Puk signed a document giving his parent club the right to first refusal or whatever that would be taken into account. This is totally different to the Bosman ruling and we're talking people who are already employed in two or three other countries so hardly come into the gissajob category the EU rules came in to protect. The question really is DID Puk ACTUALLY sign such a contract ? If he didn't we are talking about a hypothetical situation. If he did then its difficult to discuss without knowing exactly what it says but I very much doubt, for a number of reasons that the sort of contract you mention actually exists, but of course we don't know so we can only speculate. As far as I know most riders sign a fairly standard BSPA contract. EDIT: On a different point. what's happening to Ryan Sullivan ? I thought he moved back to England and wanted to ride over here. He is the sort of class act British speedway needs and I, for one, will be disappointed if he doesn't turn up somewhere. Edited December 8, 2012 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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