Eagles4459 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 What everyone view on Tia Woffinden getting a space in the GP next year? I think his far to over rated by many. Chris Harris has let his nation down this year so far doesnt deserve a space next year. Who is the golden boy going to be?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Is Tia Tai's sister? I would say no Brit just for the sake of it. If BSI decides there has to be one I think they will go with Tai with an eye to the future as he does have the talent to become a top ten regular. Chris hasnt let his nation down - he has just struggled in what is a tough competition!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 No Brit deserves to be in. If the organisers insist on shoehorning one in, then at the moment I can see Tai getting the nod. Bomber needs to put in a very strong finish to the season if he's going to get another free ticket. Wouldn't it be great if we got a Brit in on merit rather than relying on charity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) No Brit deserves to be in. If the organisers insist on shoehorning one in, then at the moment I can see Tai getting the nod. Bomber needs to put in a very strong finish to the season if he's going to get another free ticket. Wouldn't it be great if we got a Brit in on merit rather than relying on charity. Precisely, and until then we won't get any better. I see in this weeks Speedway Star the Harris Wildcard Spin machine has already gone into overdrive, "it's my bikes", "I'm not a whiner", "I've beaten the best in the world" ya di ya di yada. Pearson has also started blaming every Tom, Dick or Harry for Harris' crap season. Quite frankly Harris doesn't deserve yet another act of charity unless he finishes in the Top 8. He's had so many free years in the series to get his bikes right and if he still hasn't mastered it, why will he next season? The fact he's only just level with a rider who has missed three meetings with a broken leg sums it up. In this weeks Star he also says he isn't living off his Cardiff win, sorry Chris but you really are delusional if you think they keep putting you in because of your talent. Anyway if winning a Grand Prix is the only criteria for getting a wildcard then there are multiple winners (or multi qualifiers) ahead of Harris, in the list for next season; Kenneth Bjerre Hans Andersen Bjarne Pedersen Antonio Lindback Rune Holta The fact is these riders are all the wrong nationality, the GP organisers won't admit it, but that's the only explanation for including British riders EVERY season. Fans on the continent must laugh with dismay every time they see the token Brit, so mediocre in their own leagues, given a Wildcard year after year. For the same reason, Woffinden doesn't deserve a place, make him qualify. JT. Edited August 25, 2012 by JT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilforever Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 we definately need new blood, my money would be on Ben Barker or Josh Auty, Tai has had his chance and is just an arrogant little lad who thinks he deserves to be there by right, Adam Roynon is another lad who is coming good and I am sure there are more out there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Could not give two hoots who "deserves" a place or not, if he's a Brit I will support any action to get them in. As for Woffinden as much as I would love Wolves to have their top two in the series, with that comes problems and more risks of injury. So not bothered whether he is in or out & league racing is my cup of tea, so as much as I love the series Wolves come first. In short if he is nominated he gets my full backing, if not lucky Wolves we definately need new blood, my money would be on Ben Barker or Josh Auty, Tai has had his chance and is just an arrogant little lad who thinks he deserves to be there by right, Adam Roynon is another lad who is coming good and I am sure there are more out there And Ben Barker is NOT arrogant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 The Devils on tour group decided in discussions with some of the Berwick fans in a post meeting discussion on Wednesday night in the Black and Gold club that Tai Woffinden should be managed by Eric Boocock, it should all be filmed by a reality TV crew and it could then replace WWE wrestling on Sky Sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Entertainment first and foremost! I want to see best 16 riders in the world, no matter who they are or where they come from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) NO! None of the Brits deserve a place and it might do us good to realise we are a very minor speedway nation with ambitions way higher than our capabilities. We have no riders who are even capable in probably (barring us finding a wunderkid) the next 10 years of challenging for a SWC or SGP top spot. I like 'Tia', Scotty and Bomber but our top 3 are just not up there with the top boys. Let them qualify if they are any good and at least get there on merit instead of these pathetic pity picks we get due to us having the best supported GP and Sky. Far too many others deserving of getting a chance to show what they can do before our lot. Edited August 25, 2012 by pandorum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 What everyone view on Tia Woffinden getting a space in the GP next year? I think his far to over rated by many. Chris Harris has let his nation down this year so far doesnt deserve a space next year. Who is the golden boy going to be?? Talking of being overrated how Lewis Bridger doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think at the moment tai may struggle. People say about bomber and nicholls not being up to it but there is a reason he never gets a wildcard and thats cos he can never beat them in the british final. His form is very up and down. I personally think when on right equipment, bomber is a more exciting rider. That said i dont think any british rider should be in it just for the sake of it. Think some exciting british riders coming up for gp in the future (roynon, cook, auty) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Far too many others deserving of getting a chance to show what they can do before our lot. Could not give a toss about the others "let them qualify if they are any good" .... if they wanna give the Brits a spot fine by me I think at the moment tai may struggle. People say about bomber and nicholls not being up to it but there is a reason he never gets a wildcard and thats cos he can never beat them in the british final. His form is very up and down. I personally think when on right equipment, bomber is a more exciting rider. That said i dont think any british rider should be in it just for the sake of it. Think some exciting british riders coming up for gp in the future (roynon, cook, auty) He should have the right equipment by now tho surely, how long does he want/need ???? Woffinden can gate more consistantly than either Scott or Chris & would be British Champion if Kennett had not fell ... he has also only had one year in the GP's compared the Bombers many. Time for a change, we cannot keep making excuses for Chris, Woffinden is the better rider for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton hill warrior Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Entertainment first and foremost! I want to see best 16 riders in the world, no matter who they are or where they come from. Thats how it should be !! good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) Could not give a toss about the others "let them qualify if they are any good" .... if they wanna give the Brits a spot fine by me He should have the right equipment by now tho surely, how long does he want/need ???? You've hit the nail on the head, Hasse Holmqvist. Years of GP level sponsorship and the experience of riding with the world's top professionals and he still can't get it right? It's the same with slick tracks, if he can't get them right after all this time, when will he ever? Could not give a toss about the others "let them qualify if they are any good" .... if they wanna give the Brits a spot fine by me I'm as patriotic as the next person, but doesn't it say something that even on a British forum we think the constant British pity picks are a joke? God Knows what they think of Harris' Wild Cards on the continent. In fairness to Kelvin Tatum, at least he has broached the topic on SKY a few times, unfortunately every time he mentions Harris' poor form and constant Wild Card picks, Pearson shoots him down with some sob story about bad luck. Out of interest, how many of Harris' engine failures have come when he's been in a point scoring position? While I accept engine problems could contribute to him being last in the first place, I can't recall him ever breaking down when in first, like Watt on Monday..... JT. Edited August 25, 2012 by JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 You've hit the nail on the head, Hasse Holmqvist. Years of GP level sponsorship and the experience of riding with the world's top professionals and he still can't get it right? It's the same with slick tracks, if he can't get them right after all this time, when will he ever? I'm as patriotic as the next person, but doesn't it say something that even on a British forum we think the constant British pity picks are a joke? God Knows what they think of Harris' Wild Cards on the continent. In fairness to Kelvin Tatum, at least he has broached the topic on SKY a few times, unfortunately every time he mentions Harris' poor form and constant Wild Card picks, Pearson shoots him down with some sob story about bad luck. Out of interest, how many of Harris' engine failures have come when he's been in a point scoring position? While I accept engine problems could contribute to him being last in the first place, I can't recall him ever breaking down when in first, like Watt on Monday..... JT. Harris has mainly broke down with coventry when in a scoring position this season which is why it has been even more frustrating for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Harris has mainly broke down with coventry when in a scoring position this season which is why it has been even more frustrating for him Fair enough, but I was referring to the Grand Prix series. Nobody is doubting Harris is a top rider in the Elite League, but on the World Stage he has had far too many chances in my opinion. JT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 As I say JT I really do not care, if the powers that be feel they need a Brit in the series then so be it. As for us knocking our own, thats the good old British attitude of fair play whilst the rest of the world laugh at us. If Woffinden is in next season (and I think he will be) he will make a far better job of it than last time. As for the others, Barker, Roynon, Auty, Cook ... they are not fit to clean his bike YET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 As for us knocking our own, thats the good old British attitude of fair play whilst the rest of the world laugh at us. There is a difference between 'knocking our own' and accepting reality. I don't think most people are 'knocking' the Brit lads. I know I am not as I wanna see one of them WIN today! But we all know that won't happen. Whether because of mental attitude, preperation or the standard of equipment the Brits are way behind. I think Greg hancock made a good point about how most of the top foreign riders had to travel to places like the UK to gain the experience they neede to excel. The Yanks and Aussies especially and now the Russians had to travel great distances and learn to depend on themselves whereas many UK riders probably don't have that ethic. Of course riders like PC, Lee, Havvy, Mark Loram and even old Taters managed to reach the pinnacle of the sport (OK Taters was longtrack) so it's not all cut and dried. We have some gifted speedway riders but lack many of the attributes that people like Crump, Gollob, Hancock have. We simply do not deserve to be considered above many better Scandanavian and even Eastern European riders. As long as the likes of Harris KNOW he will always get a pick then why should he go that extra mile to try and qualify? Speedway wise the rest of the world laugh at us because we have a poor top league system, seem to have little or no interest in nurturing what talent we have,dilapedated stadia and dilapadated ideas from those in charge. They probably laugh at the pitiful tactical double rule as well. But then who doesn't! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I am afraid I feel any Brit shouldn't be in it none of them are good enough and to put a Brit in to simply make up the numbers is embarrassment. Look at Harris this year he has rode like a prat in the whole GP series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Speedway wise the rest of the world laugh at us because we have a poor top league system, seem to have little or no interest in nurturing what talent we have,dilapedated stadia and dilapadated ideas from those in charge. They probably laugh at the pitiful tactical double rule as well. But then who doesn't! But there is the difference between you and me, I dont give a monkeys what Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Australia etc think about British Speedway ... let them get on with there own leagues which I watch quite often and cannot see what the fuss is all about. Races with riders miles apart in Poland is quite the norm, keep it. This is the UK .... I am quite happy with what we serve up, yes it could be better but then most things in life can be. I am happy enough to watch 4 riders racing each other on a variety of different shape tracks. The double, double rule, I quite like it myself ... something different. Do we NEED a World Champion ???? .... I doubt it, it would be nice but not a need. Woffinden may yet be the one for us, if he does get the nod good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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