Rye House 2013

[Shadders]

It would be tragic if Len gave up at Rye without a succesor meaning an end to racing at Hoddesdon. I know I can contribute to attendances but the last two to three seasons has seen me attend less and less but the team building has been very unimaginative.

Can't see Len walking away. He bought the lease on the stadium, so hardly likely to just up sticks and move on. Finding someone to take it over would be difficult in the financial climate. Anyone else wanting to run speedway at Rye House would have to stump up the rent before a wheel was turned.

I have no idea if Andrew has any interest in taking over, I suspect not.

Greyhounds never made any money at Rye, so that's out of the question. The only way you'll make any money out of the stadium would be to flatten it and put up houses and/or flats.

Let's hope it doesn't come down to that.

Edited September 5, 2012 by Shadders

[Chris]

Can't see Len walking away. He bought the lease on the stadium, so hardly likely to just up sticks and move on. Finding someone to take it over would be difficult in the financial climate. Anyone else wanting to run speedway at Rye House would have to stump up the rent before a wheel was turned.

I have no idea if Andrew has any interest in taking over, I suspect not.

Greyhounds never made any money at Rye, so that's out of the question. The only way you'll make any money out of the stadium would be to flatten it and put up houses and/or flats.

Let's hope it does come down to that.

 

[Vincent Vega]

Maybe Big Ron might be interested in making a comeback? Would you shake the big fellas hand Shadders?

[Shadders]

Maybe Big Ron might be interested in making a comeback? Would you shake the big fellas hand Shadders?

Hand no, neck maybe

[Ipswich Jules]

Wouldnt be surprised to see Edward Kennett back as number one next season.

 

Not Rye House, think Plymouth....

[Shadders]

Not Rye House, think Plymouth....

Len Silver has never gone at the start of the season with a real big hitter at number 1.

Why would Eddie want to double up anyway?

[Phil Silvers]

The only way you'll make any money out of the stadium would be to flatten it and put up houses and/or flats.

Let's hope it does come down to that.

 

Have you missed out a n't somewhere Shads?

[Shadders]

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Have you missed out a n't somewhere Shads?

Oh christ!!... Edited

 

No wonder Chris was shocked!

Edited September 5, 2012 by Shadders

[Rob S.]

Must confess have missed recent RYE home defeats.

Two guests, R/R, Lykke and Lambert struggling - has not tempted me to drive the one hour distance

from home. From recent forum attendance comments, this sadly sounds like an increasing trend at Rye.

[Rocketbee]

Unless Rye can win at least one of the remaining home meetings I can see us finishing bottom, Sheffield now have 26 pts with 1 meeting left with Rye on 24.

Hopefully the painful lessons have been learnt this year and we can build a team to the points limit in 2013 rather than one that is 2 points under!

[Rocketbee]

How about

 

Charlie Gjedde 9.22

Stuart Robson 8.20

Anders Mellgren 6.46

Nelson 5.33

Jason Bunyan 5.14

Jason Garrity 4.57

leaving 3.58 if Kasper can get a proper average around that figure

[westhamboy66]

Unless Rye can win at least one of the remaining home meetings I can see us finishing bottom, Sheffield now have 26 pts with 1 meeting left with Rye on 24.

Hopefully the painful lessons have been learnt this year and we can build a team to the points limit in 2013 rather than one that is 2 points under!

To be fair what has happened this season with results has nought to do with the team selection at the start of the season. The injuries have ravaged the team and the timing of the Frampton retirement was the last nail. Until then a playoff place was fiifty fifty. You simply can't run with guests and r/r for longer than a couple of meetings. Been one of those seasons simple as tha

 

How about

 

Charlie Gjedde 9.22

Stuart Robson 8.20

Anders Mellgren 6.46

Nelson 5.33

Jason Bunyan 5.14

Jason Garrity 4.57

leaving 3.58 if Kasper can get a proper average around that figure

Gjedde has over the last few seasons missed far too many meetings

Why would Robson ome back when he is at Newcastle?

Bunyan in the main body of the team? Might as well throw in the towell now. He has been at reserve almost the entire season for a pretty awful average, why would things change.

Not to include Kasper if his average is a concern at season end would be suicidal.

The inclusion of Nelson would be foolish given what has happened this year unless of course you believe the visa application wasn't on the correctly headed correspondence

 

 

 

That's the whole point though, he's put almost 2 points on his starting average, the rolling averages make that look modest. If he was being made to look good by his rolling average you'd have a point.

 

He's well worth having in reserve and has a few seasons in him yet, starting next year with the two Jasons at reserve would be a good start to team building.

He has put almost two points on to his starting average? And for someone of Bunyans experience spending the season at reserve you don!t expect more? And the logic that a further two points would be put on to his average next year is nonsense and if that is the expectation why include him to languish at reserve with barely a double figure haul when he is having seven rides almost every meeting

[Glenn]

The decline started last season when Len had the opportunity to retain Jason Doyle and went for Boxall - big mistake.

I will go and watch any team with Jason and Ben Barker in it - the Rye V Plymouth match the best seen at RH for many years.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2012 by Glenn

[westhamboy66]

 

 

That's the whole point though, he's put almost 2 points on his starting average, the rolling averages make that look modest. If he was being made to look good by his rolling average you'd have a point.

 

He's well worth having in reserve and has a few seasons in him yet, starting next year with the two Jasons at reserve would be a good start to team building.

He has put almost two points on to his starting average? And for someone of Bunyans experience spending the season at reserve you don!t expect more? And the logic that a further two points would be put on to his average next year is nonsense and if that is the expectation why include him to languish at reserve with barely a double figure haul when he is having seven rides almost every meeting

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Bunyan easily the biggest disappointment. I don't bother with rolling average rubbish i look to see what he has done this season for Rye which is very little. I assume he will be here next year as Len bought his contract. Maybe he might be ok in a successful team at reserve but his form around Rye has been awful. As far as Chris and his hatred for all that is Silver....remember the last time Len Sold up we closed pretty soon after. As far as seven man teams i agree that is easily better than r/r but who is around? The luck of injuries has been worse than i can remember for a very long time. Young Poles to put bums on seats. Never works in the PL..too expensive, unreliable and too many meetings for them too fit in. As for Ben he is simply not up to it (at the moment) look at him struggling compared to Stefan Neilsen who will surely be in the Ipswich team next year i would imagine.

 

 

 

 

Any promotor signing Jason Bunyan and expecting him to be an out and out heatleader now is livign in cloud cuckoo land. But anyone signing Bunyan to be a decent reserve with the possibility of doing a job at 2nd string then thats more realistic and I htink this is what Rye House had in mind this season!

 

The last time Len Silver sold up was in 1985 and although things got slowly worse under Ronnie Russell, speedway kept going at Hoddesdon until the end of 1993. Though things have got very stale at Rye House this year. Len Silver will always be remembered as one of the great promotors but his unwillingness to change things and listen to what people are saying about Rye House is slowlying strangling Rye House speedway. Maybe he needs to take a back seat while retaining ownership and letting someone fresh come in and run the show?

Things got a lot worse not slowly worse after Silver left. Speedway in this current financial climate will not remain at Rye without a really strong business plan in place. Take away the fact that a prospective Promoter would not get refreshment takings and would have to pay rent as well would be a complete non starter. Unless of course a complete clown (and there a few promoting at the moment) could be found. Then the place could be shut in a season. I sometimes wonder if thats what the moaners really want. And by moaners i don't mean those who constructively criticise. Len Silver has put his money where his mouth is. Not many around who would do that, he clearly loves the club and lets face it its his club and i doubt there would be anyone around more disappointed at the moment. To say he doesn't listen is blatant nonsense. He won't listen to some of the crap on here but go and tell him face to face what you think and he will listen. The track is no longer dusty, the extra cost to watch double headers has all but gone, he has tried to change things some have worked and some like the rider presentation hasn't. If Len has one fault it is that he is too decent a man who shows loyalty to his riders when they show him loyalty. No a bad fault really

[Odds On]

The only three I'd have from this years team are Mellgren, Garrity and Bunyan, these three are the only ones likely and capable of upping there averages, not sure about Kasper to be honest.

This season we have lacked an out and out number 1 and also a good strong second heat leader.

Those knocking Bunyan I fail to see what more he could of delivered, came in at reserve, upped his average and all this on the back of a terrible injury, like I said its the top end where the problem has been not the lower end.

[mudflaps]

How about introducing a Polish rider somewhere in the team. Would certainly help the crowd numbers!

How about intoduce a travelling circus Pikey!!

Certainly help pullin more punters from the immediate catchment area..

 

Or has that already been done!

[bolly]

Posted Today, 04:12 PM

 

hooversquash, on 03 September 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

 

How about introducing a Polish rider somewhere in the team. Would certainly help the crowd numbers!

How about intoduce a travelling circus Pikey!!

Certainly help pullin more punters from the immediate catchment area..

 

Or has that already been done!

 

 

Excuse Me, that will be Mr Pikey to you.

 

For your knowledge we had at least a dozen Polish spectators that I saw and spoke to at last weeks meeting.

 

With at least 20 'Polska Skleps' in the local area there has to be a largish local Polish community and speedway being a major sport in Poland it may not be a silly idea to try and encourage a few more through the gates. Somebody like Kosciuch or Buczkowski may even be good enough to get a reserve berth in the team

[Ben91]

 

He has put almost two points on to his starting average? And for someone of Bunyans experience spending the season at reserve you don!t expect more? And the logic that a further two points would be put on to his average next year is nonsense and if that is the expectation why include him to languish at reserve with barely a double figure haul when he is having seven rides almost every meeting

 

What are you on about? As I've said already twice now, rolling averages are taken over up to 38 meetings, not a true reflection of Jason's season for Rye. The reason he has stayed at reserve is the rolling averages, Richie Worrall has spent most of the season at reserve for Newcastle despite averaging 8+ real time. Nobody has said he will add 2 points to his average next year, I certainly haven't. If he can average the same as he has this year it'll be a good year again as the amount of bonus points he has picked up have proven that he is a good team man.

 

Interesting to see Grajczonek back on Saturday, would be a very good signing as a second/third heat leader for next season.

[Rocketbee]

In reply to the question why would Robbo leave Newcastle, their current team is 1.1 over the points limit so someone has to miss out & as far as I know Robbo is a lakeside asset not a newcastle one. When he came back from that horrendous injury he didn't want to ride in the premier due to issues with safety fences but said he would love to have another season at Rye in the future.with regards to Kasper I was indicating my team fitted with him at that average not that he should be left out if he doesn't fit. I Garrity improves at the same rate as the past few meetings Bunyan would soon be back at reserve anyway!

[Chris]

He has put almost two points on to his starting average? And for someone of Bunyans experience spending the season at reserve you don!t expect more? And the logic that a further two points would be put on to his average next year is nonsense and if that is the expectation why include him to languish at reserve with barely a double figure haul when he is having seven rides almost every meetingThings got a lot worse not slowly worse after Silver left. Speedway in this current financial climate will not remain at Rye without a really strong business plan in place. Take away the fact that a prospective Promoter would not get refreshment takings and would have to pay rent as well would be a complete non starter. Unless of course a complete clown (and there a few promoting at the moment) could be found. Then the place could be shut in a season. I sometimes wonder if thats what the moaners really want. And by moaners i don't mean those who constructively criticise. Len Silver has put his money where his mouth is. Not many around who would do that, he clearly loves the club and lets face it its his club and i doubt there would be anyone around more disappointed at the moment. To say he doesn't listen is blatant nonsense. He won't listen to some of the crap on here but go and tell him face to face what you think and he will listen. The track is no longer dusty, the extra cost to watch double headers has all but gone, he has tried to change things some have worked and some like the rider presentation hasn't. If Len has one fault it is that he is too decent a man who shows loyalty to his riders when they show him loyalty. No a bad fault really

 

You must have missed the meeting last season when he arrogantly told the crowd, after getting some stick ,"I'll do it my way".

 

Silver doesn't like any crticism and doesn't listen to anyone which is why he has a yes man in Sampford as a token team manager. Len has total and utter control over that club and has f*$^£d it up plain and simple.

 

A bottom three finish is completely unacceptable and embarrassing.