Wolverhampton 2013

[E I Addio]

after it was initially indicated that a guest or rider-replacement would be permitted for absent Bjerre.

 

 

 

Indicated by whom ?

[Barney Rabbit]

The point Foreverblue is trying to make is that Peterborough called off a meeting in the same circumstances as Poole. That is not the case - Poole called off an agreed match once their team was weakened. Peterborough knew Bjerre would be unavailable and would not agree to the meeting without him or a facility. No facility was forthcoming so Peterborough turned the meeting down. One heck of a difference. As I posted, it is a moot point as to whether something 'conditional' becomes hard fact before that condition is met so, technically, the match was never 'definitely on' regardless of what is written on a web-site. You have missed off an important part of the item on the web-site which explains just that:- 'The meeting was originally set for Friday June 7, but Panthers agreed to move it forward by four days for live broadcasting after it was initially indicated that a guest or rider-replacement would be permitted for absent Bjerre.

 

Sadly that has now proven not to be the case so Panthers bosses feel they are left with no other option but to call the meeting off and re-stage at a later date when they will have a full team of riders.'

 

Exactly. The point of the item on Panthers' website was to inform that Peterborough would not be riding against Wolves in a televised encounter the following Monday and the word 'cancelled' puts that across in a concise fashion all understand.

[Vincent Blachshadow]

Indicated by whom ?

 

Whoever told/asked them to bring their match forward so it could be televised presumably.

 

It's also interesting to note that this item:-

 

http://www.speedwayg...hp?extend.20601

 

only mentions that Lakeside have arranged their previously called-off match v Coventry for Monday and that it'll be on Sky. No mention of the Peterborough v Wolves call-off at all. Maybe they knew it was 'conditional' and, as such. never existed.

Edited June 5, 2013 by Vincent Blackshadow

[E I Addio]

Whoever told/asked them to bring their match forward so it could be televised presumably.

 

So we have one side of the story only. Peterborough asked some unknown person if they could be exempt from the normal rules on facilities. Since we don't know who this person was we have no idea whether they had authority to grant that request or not. It might have been no problem as far as Sky is concerned but the BSPA saw it a different way. Peterborough don't appear to have followed it up with any sort of written confirmation which is hopelessly sloppy business procedure, so we don't really know what was or not said by whom to whom and whether it was more a case of people getting their wires crossed.

 

The bottom line is that as so often happens in speedway it was all dealt with in a most inefficient manner and importantly as far as Joe Public is concerned its just another shambles where, for whatever reason someone pulls the plug on a meeting because a rider is not available. It might be in totally different circumstances to someone telling a pack of lies about a flooded track but the net result is still the same to the average fan. For the sake of a bit more business efficiency all round, not just on one side the whole thing could have been avoided.

 

Since Saturday, I have spoken to several Cardiff regulars who didn't go this year. All are getting fed up with the way things are being run and all cited these cancellations for absent riders as the last straw. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Peterboro cancellation nobody comes out if well, including 'Boro. I agree nowhere near as bad as Belle Vue, but not an example of professionalism either, and unless these sort of late cancellations are stopped it will do the sport massive damage. Unlike many other problems the sport faces all this would stop.

 

 

EDIT as we are getting a bit off topic for a Wolves thread I'll make that my last comment. Sorry Wolves fans.

Edited June 5, 2013 by E I Addio

[bigcatdiary]

 

 

Indicated by whom ?

 

Terry Russell apparently

[E I Addio]

Terry Russell apparently

I know I said I wouldn't post anymore on what is really a Wolves thread but presumably Russell was speaking as a Sky co-ordinator rather than BSPA ? If he was, and if he said allowing a facility for Bjerre what's it got to do with him ? I thought Sky didn't interfere with these things (well that's what we are told anyway). Whatever the reason the average supporter is still stuck with the fact that on the face of it three meetings have been cancelled because a rider or riders weren't available and it's not a good image.

[BluPanther]

I know I said I wouldn't post anymore on what is really a Wolves thread but presumably Russell was speaking as a Sky co-ordinator rather than BSPA ? If he was, and if he said allowing a facility for Bjerre what's it got to do with him ? I thought Sky didn't interfere with these things (well that's what we are told anyway). Whatever the reason the average supporter is still stuck with the fact that on the face of it three meetings have been cancelled because a rider or riders weren't available and it's not a good image.

That's Speedway for you...

[bigcatdiary]

I know I said I wouldn't post anymore on what is really a Wolves thread but presumably Russell was speaking as a Sky co-ordinator rather than BSPA ? If he was, and if he said allowing a facility for Bjerre what's it got to do with him ? I thought Sky didn't interfere with these things (well that's what we are told anyway). Whatever the reason the average supporter is still stuck with the fact that on the face of it three meetings have been cancelled because a rider or riders weren't available and it's not a good image.

 

Cannot argue with that

[Wolfsbane]

As I suspected. As long as it's going well CVS & Adams are on the money. However, as they have proved many times in the recent past, once it starts going t*its their decision making is on the wrong side of poor or completely non existent. RR for Tai & Robbo for Ty? They're having a giraffe. It'll be worrying for the future of the club, no doubt, but I know what I'm hoping the 'end of an era' means.

Edited June 5, 2013 by Wolfsbane

[foreverblue]

As I suspected. As long as it's going well CVS & Adams are on the money. However, as they have proved many times in the recent past, once it starts going t*its their decision making is on the wrong side of poor or completely non existent. RR for Tai & Robbo for Ty? They're having a giraffe. It'll be worrying for the future of the club, no doubt, but I know what I'm hoping the 'end of an era' means.

It has to be r/r for Tai as Freddie is your top averaged rider and robbo is going well at the moment i thought and the choices are probably very limited.

[magnificentseven]

It has to be r/r for Tai as Freddie is your top averaged rider and robbo is going well at the moment i thought and the choices are probably very limited.

 

It could be a guest for Tai and R/R for Proctor - which would have been a far better option.

 

Robson was dire at Lakeside on Monday and that was at a track that he has ridden for before.

 

Wolfie

[Fourentee]

It could be a guest for Tai and R/R for Proctor - which would have been a far better option.

Broadly speaking, I'm with you on this (PK, anyone?) but with the small caveat that Proctor, presumably due to some rolling averages quirk, is now fifth in the team list and his RR rides would therefore be Skornicki and the reserves. Perhaps -- perhaps -- that has had a bearing on the thinking.

And given that you (presumably still) are one of the few who travel away regularly, I reckon you've got as big a stake in the line-up as most.

 

Edit: In fact I hadn't realised until now that Proctor actually started fifth in the team averages and has stayed there despite his sparkling start to the season. But he's been riding like a third heat-leader and that's a huge miss right now.

Edited June 5, 2013 by Fourentee

[lino wolf]

 

Broadly speaking, I'm with you on this (PK, anyone?) but with the small caveat that Proctor, presumably due to some rolling averages quirk, is now fifth in the team list and his RR rides would therefore be Skornicki and the reserves. Perhaps -- perhaps -- that has had a bearing on the thinking.

And given that you (presumably still) are one of the few who travel away regularly, I reckon you've got as big a stake in the line-up as most.

 

Edit: In fact I hadn't realised until now that Proctor actually started fifth in the team averages and has stayed there despite his sparkling start to the season. But he's been riding like a third heat-leader and that's a huge miss right now.

The two riders we couldn't afford to be missing ! Need ludvig to catch fire again and ride like he did In April and early may !

[Wolfsbane]

Perhaps these arrangements for Saturday are provisional as there is nothing on the OS? Wouldn't look very good it if we had to depend on other's websites for latest info about our team would it?

[Fourentee]

The two riders we couldn't afford to be missing ! Need ludvig to catch fire again and ride like he did In April and early may !

Couldn't have put it better. Need to grind out some three-point home wins and I look at the rejigged Lakeside outfit on Monday as a potential banana skin.

[T.N.T.]

Maybe the International Best Pairs meeting has something to do with why they are opting to use a guest for Ty instead of Tai ?

 

 

If possible , would have had Bridger replace Proctor .....or Kasprzak / Iversen replace Tai

 

 

Not expecting any points from this one

[racers and royals]

Maybe the International Best Pairs meeting has something to do with why they are opting to use a guest for Ty instead of Tai ?

 

 

If possible , would have had Bridger replace Proctor .....or Kasprzak / Iversen replace Tai

 

 

Not expecting any points from this one

Probably the GP qualifier in St Johann has some bearing as well.

[T.N.T.]

Tai is leaving it till Thursday to decide if he will ride at Gorzow in the GP while Ty is still having problems and both could be out for a few weeks still.

 

 

Would have been great if the Greg Hancock Will Ride Monmore post this week was really about being a temporary guest ...... but Scott Nicholls is in on Monday and then at Kings Lynn I hope the in form Kasprzak is the guest to form a strong spearhead against Iversen.

 

Then its home to P'boro, away to Lakeside and home to Eastbourne (hopefully minus Bridger) to see out June

[Tommy Sweetman]

Dont know how much longer Ty is out for,but could we use Mikkel Beck as a replacement until hes back fit ?.

Double-up ?.

[Bagpuss]

Not on an assessed average squire.