Wolverhampton 2013

[Woz01]

 

 

Biased or what.

 

Coventry look bottom 3 as well.

 

Not biased just an opinion.

[Fourentee]

the cub have hardly ever bought in a loan signing for a heat leader or second string position since Steve Johnston I think.

That would be a Wolf cub, then?

Just for the record Billy Hamill was, of course, a heat leader loan signing.

[superguest]

 

 

2012 League Matches = 22

Rides = 106

Points = 167

BP = 20

GSA = 6.30

AVGE = (7.06)

 

Yes he started at reserve, but as the season went on he got better and better and still averaged over six once he moved up from the reserves. After a few years of struggling in the Premier League, Ricky has virtually changed beyond recognition and I firmly think he will finish the season as our third heat leader aberaging between 6.50 - 7.00

and without the high scores from reserve, he'll average between 5 and 5.5 IMO. Would be a good solid season IMO.

[hyderd]

Biased or what.

 

Coventry look bottom 3 as well.

 

Wake up Steve, that would make 4.

[stevebrum]

Not biased just an opinion.

 

Fine, in my opinion Coventry would replace Eastbourne in your bottom 3.

 

 

Wake up Steve, that would make 4.

 

Wide awake. As explained above.

[T.N.T.]

and without the high scores from reserve, he'll average between 5 and 5.5 IMO. Would be a good solid season IMO.

 

He averaged over six while riding at #4 last season though and is getting better each week.

[dabbsjoe]

i think if Wells can maintain his average this year it will be a success. a lot of his average was gained from riding at reserve.

 

it's Proctor that needs to improve his average this season after 2 years of maintaining otherwise he is the new Travis Mcgowan as mentioned earlier.

[Fourentee]

it's Proctor that needs to improve his average this season after 2 years of maintaining otherwise he is the new Travis Mcgowan as mentioned earlier.

Good point, well made. Or it would have been were this February 2012 when Proctor had indeed maintained his average of a smidgeon over five for two successive seasons. Last year it went up to over five and a half in one of the club's few success stories for the campaign.

That may or may not be as far as he gets. He could certainly do with pushing on. But I don't understand this current criticism of Proctor for failing to improve thus far. Wolves' problems last year lay elsewhere.

[foreverblue]

Biased or what.

 

Coventry look bottom 3 as well.

I did hear they were selling some rose tinted glasses in the Coventry Bees club shop,obviously you can pre-order them.

[BWitcher]

Good point, well made. Or it would have been were this February 2012 when Proctor had indeed maintained his average of a smidgeon over five for two successive seasons. Last year it went up to over five and a half in one of the club's few success stories for the campaign.

That may or may not be as far as he gets. He could certainly do with pushing on. But I don't understand this current criticism of Proctor for failing to improve thus far. Wolves' problems last year lay elsewhere.

 

Spot on Fourentee. We've both mentioned this many times before, but it seems some are too blind to actually see what happened last season.

 

We failed because we signed 2 4pters who didn't perform. Throw in a downturn from Fred and injury issues and there was no way anything would be achieved from the season.

 

Once again, I am seeing lots of comments about riders needing to increase their averages. This is simply not as vital in a league with a 42.5 pts limit. Indeed, should the whole team merely maintain their averages they would almost certainly make the play-offs.

[Fourentee]

Once again, I am seeing lots of comments about riders needing to increase their averages. This is simply not as vital in a league with a 42.5 pts limit. Indeed, should the whole team merely maintain their averages they would almost certainly make the play-offs.

Yeeeeesssss, kind of. But when the average has been artificially inflated, as is the case when the starting team figure from the previous season is lower than the natural 42pt line, then of course it requires a better performance to achieve parity. And, of course, all the other teams could make the same claim about making the play-offs just by riders maintaining their average.

However, I should probably leave this one to the mathematicians out there.

[dabbsjoe]

Good point, well made. Or it would have been were this February 2012 when Proctor had indeed maintained his average of a smidgeon over five for two successive seasons. Last year it went up to over five and a half in one of the club's few success stories for the campaign.

That may or may not be as far as he gets. He could certainly do with pushing on. But I don't understand this current criticism of Proctor for failing to improve thus far. Wolves' problems last year lay elsewhere.

 

i probably should have looked at the averages for him over past seasons.

 

for me he seems too comfortable in the number 2 role, his scores dropped off a lot when in the number 4 role which has led to Wells when he progressed from reserve having to ride at 4 with hard races

[T.N.T.]

If a newspaper boy has to deliver 27 papers each night and does so well enough to keep doing that job year after year, then you have a reliable person doing the job they are intended to do.

 

Ty Proctor has never been put in the team to progress into a heat leader. He was signed as a good reserve / second string and over the last few seasons he has done his job well, especially when placed at the #2 position. He can either win heat one or gain a vital point while heat 8 is his for the taking and if you need a good rider at #2, he is a great signing to score 5-6 points a match.

 

 

Many people are still looking at the name Ricky Wells and still putting him down as the young kid who struggled at Coventry and then struggled in the Pemier League and become a regular second string. Those however that have seen him at Monmore Green since joining Wolves have seen Ricky come of age and at the age of 21 he is really becoming a good Elite League second string and young enough to go even higher.

 

 

Overall, Wolves have put together a team that could be described as Comfortable ..... they have crowd favourites, solid scorers and young entertaining riders and should do well at home ...... but probably not solid enough to reach the play offs.

Edited February 20, 2013 by T.N.T.

[Fourentee]

for me he seems too comfortable in the number 2 role, his scores dropped off a lot when in the number 4 role which has led to Wells when he progressed from reserve having to ride at 4 with hard races

Fair observation, IMHO, and I take your point on Wells. In passing, I don't think 'comfortable' is a word you could ever associate with such a self-critical rider as Proctor. Perhaps 'settled' might fit the bill?

[BWitcher]

Yeeeeesssss, kind of. But when the average has been artificially inflated, as is the case when the starting team figure from the previous season is lower than the natural 42pt line, then of course it requires a better performance to achieve parity. And, of course, all the other teams could make the same claim about making the play-offs just by riders maintaining their average.

However, I should probably leave this one to the mathematicians out there.

 

Yes, I agree with what you are saying.. my point is against those who seem insistent that riders increase their averages from where they are now... as you highlight, they're artificially higher anyway.

 

So my point is, if WE maintain our averages, we'll be fine, it will mean some others aren't

 

i probably should have looked at the averages for him over past seasons.

 

for me he seems too comfortable in the number 2 role, his scores dropped off a lot when in the number 4 role which has led to Wells when he progressed from reserve having to ride at 4 with hard races

 

I don't see why that is a problem tbh.

 

A team consists of 7 riders doing their jobs. If Proctor averages 5.5 - 6 at No 2.. job done.

 

What are these 'hard races' that you get at no 4 as opposed to number 2? The only one you could point at is heat 14 being marginally harder than heat 8.

Edited February 20, 2013 by BWitcher

[T.N.T.]

Riding at #2 is more difficult than riding at #3 or #4 but for some reason, Ty is much more suited riding at that number. As you have to partner your teams strongest rider three times, this in theory cuts you down to looking at 9 points from 4 rides. As you have to face the opposing teams heat leaders and second strings at the same time, a score of 5-7 points from that position is quite an achievement.

 

 

We all know that whats on paper doesnt always mean or relate to what hppens on the track, but if you run a Wolves v Swindon match and allocate points according to averages, Wolves actually win 48-42 even with them making a reserve change and Ty riding at #2 would ony score 3 points.

[Steve0]

Riding at #2 is more difficult than riding at #3 or #4 but for some reason, Ty is much more suited riding at that number. As you have to partner your teams strongest rider three times, this in theory cuts you down to looking at 9 points from 4 rides. As you have to face the opposing teams heat leaders and second strings at the same time, a score of 5-7 points from that position is quite an achievement.

 

 

We all know that whats on paper doesnt always mean or relate to what hppens on the track, but if you run a Wolves v Swindon match and allocate points according to averages, Wolves actually win 48-42 even with them making a reserve change and Ty riding at #2 would ony score 3 points.

 

Just as well matches aren't won on paper

 

Although sometimes matches are won by the draw from a hat

[Fourentee]

So my point is, if WE maintain our averages, we'll be fine, it will mean some others aren't

Oi, less of the 'we'!

Edited February 20, 2013 by Fourentee

[BWitcher]

You can keep fighting it as much as you wish, but you're a Wolf at heart now

[Fourentee]

You can keep fighting it as much as you wish, but you're a Wolf at heart now

No chance, I've gone back to five-a-side football on Mondays!