stevebrum Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 even if he doesn't score many points If he does as you say i'm sure you will back to say so. However if he scores steadily as most Wolves expect then you won't be seen for dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 If he does as you say i'm sure you will back to say so. However if he scores steadily as most Wolves expect then you won't be seen for dust. As per Eastbourne, Wolves will take some beating at home i reckon. Lingren, Woffinden, Skornicki Wells and Proctor have got Monmore sussed, and Masters is a good signing in my opinion. An improvement on last season, but mid table for the Old Gold boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) So the fixtures are out and the BIG matches for Wolves fans are always the away trips to Coventry which have replaced the old Cradley Heath clashes. Sadly Ricky Wells, Ty Proctor and Sam Masters look to be missing both trips to Brandon so guests for those mathes will be vital and the only light at the end of the tunnel is that Lasse Bjerre could come in for Sam Masters at reserve but replacing Ricky and Ty will be hard ...... Matt Wethers and Ricky Ashworth look the best bets in May. 06/05 - KingsLynn HOME ........ No Masters 10/05 - Coventry AWAY ......... No Wells, Proctor and Masters !! 07/06 - Peterborough AWAY ........ Proctor and Masters 08/06 - Eastbourne AWAY ......... Proctor missing 21/06 - Lakeside AWAY .............. Wells and Masters missing .... Proctor ? 09/08 - Coventry AWAY ............. Alll three missing !!! MEETINGS likely to be missing 5 - Sam Masters 4 - Ty Proctor 3 - Ricky Wells Edited January 24, 2013 by T.N.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 So the fixtures are out and the BIG matches for Wolves fans are always the away trips to Coventry which have replaced the old Cradley Heath clashes. Sadly Ricky Wells, Ty Proctor and Sam Masters look to be missing both trips to Brandon so guests for those mathes will be vital and the only light at the end of the tunnel is that Lasse Bjerre could come in for Sam Masters at reserve but replacing Ricky and Ty will be hard ...... Matt Wethers and Ricky Ashworth look the best bets in May. 06/05 - KingsLynn HOME ........ No Masters 10/05 - Coventry AWAY ......... No Wells, Proctor and Masters !! 07/06 - Peterborough AWAY ........ Proctor and Masters 08/06 - Eastbourne AWAY ......... Proctor missing 21/06 - Lakeside AWAY .............. Wells and Masters missing .... Proctor ? 09/08 - Coventry AWAY ............. Alll three missing !!! MEETINGS likely to be missing 5 - Sam Masters 4 - Ty Proctor 3 - Ricky Wells Looking at that, its not hard to understand why P'boro have decided to have no d/up riders. Some clever tactical guests will be the order of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 So the fixtures are out and the BIG matches for Wolves fans are always the away trips to Coventry which have replaced the old Cradley Heath clashes. Sadly Ricky Wells, Ty Proctor and Sam Masters look to be missing both trips to Brandon so guests for those mathes will be vital and the only light at the end of the tunnel is that Lasse Bjerre could come in for Sam Masters at reserve but replacing Ricky and Ty will be hard ...... Matt Wethers and Ricky Ashworth look the best bets in May. 06/05 - KingsLynn HOME ........ No Masters 10/05 - Coventry AWAY ......... No Wells, Proctor and Masters !! 07/06 - Peterborough AWAY ........ Proctor and Masters 08/06 - Eastbourne AWAY ......... Proctor missing 21/06 - Lakeside AWAY .............. Wells and Masters missing .... Proctor ? 09/08 - Coventry AWAY ............. Alll three missing !!! MEETINGS likely to be missing 5 - Sam Masters 4 - Ty Proctor 3 - Ricky Wells What's the problem with that?? Full team available for Poole & Swindon away wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Looking at that, its not hard to understand why P'boro have decided to have no d/up riders. Some clever tactical guests will be the order of the day. That's the key to it all.The best one we have is away to Peterborough where we could use Nick Morris (Proctor) and Lasse Bjerre (Masters) which actually makes us stronger in my opinion and on paper. Hopefully by June, Ricky has moved his Premier League average up as when we go to Cventry we will have to use a rider like Matt Wethersat #4 but at least have a rider like Lasse Bjerre guesting for Masters at reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Looking at that, its not hard to understand why P'boro have decided to have no d/up riders. Some clever tactical guests will be the order of the day. It almost seems to be at the stage where a promotion (generally, not Wolves particularly) has to compile a side/agree fixtures based on what guests it can book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 It almost seems to be at the stage where a promotion (generally, not Wolves particularly) has to compile a side/agree fixtures based on what guests it can book. The crazy thing is that Belle Vue and Wolves have a few free Mondays but they still have the Good Friday clash at Kirky Lane. OK this is usually an early start (11am) but look at the night fixtures that day and it will be a nice drive for a few straight after Edinburgh v Berwick .......... Cook and Masters Scunthorpe v Leicestert ......... Nieminen Somerset v Plymouth ........... Proctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 That's the key to it all.The best one we have is away to Peterborough where we could use Nick Morris (Proctor) and Lasse Bjerre (Masters) which actually makes us stronger in my opinion and on paper. Hopefully by June, Ricky has moved his Premier League average up as when we go to Cventry we will have to use a rider like Matt Wethersat #4 but at least have a rider like Lasse Bjerre guesting for Masters at reserve Cant see that lasse for masters may be a marginal plus but Ty is dynamite at peterborough so anyone who replaces him will be weaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Peterborough have got the right idea no D/U riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Peterborough have got the right idea no D/U riders. In general, perhaps they have. Against that is the ability to drop in a man in form or a track specialist. But in terms of supporters identifying with their side, I agree with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 It almost seems to be at the stage where a promotion (generally, not Wolves particularly) has to compile a side/agree fixtures based on what guests it can book. Agree, which sadly turns the league into something of a farce as play off places can all depend upon who is available and when. This is something that has always been the case in speedway with injuries etc, but to introduce a system that perpetuates the problem ever further is crazy. In general, perhaps they have. Against that is the ability to drop in a man in form or a track specialist. But in terms of supporters identifying with their side, I agree with you. Agree, but again, is that really how we want matches to be decided? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 That's going to be the problem in sme aspects. Sam Masters (3.85) has 5 dates where his PL matches clash with EL matches for Wolves. But when you look at the fact that you can get a guest like Lasse Bjerre (4.31) in ....... but a rider like Ricky Wells (5.79) cant even get Ludvig Lindgren (3.71) to cover for him as Ludvig has a higher PL average. It will be interesting if a team can use R/R instead of a PL guest ? If they can, will it be using their EL average or PL average ? Until Ricky moves his 6.49 Premier League average up, Wolves are better off using R/R for the#4 position if they can on the few meetings he will miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 That's the key to it all.The best one we have is away to Peterborough where we could use Nick Morris (Proctor) and Lasse Bjerre (Masters) which actually makes us stronger in my opinion and on paper. Hopefully by June, Ricky has moved his Premier League average up as when we go to Cventry we will have to use a rider like Matt Wethersat #4 but at least have a rider like Lasse Bjerre guesting for Masters at reserve Are you absolutely sure this is how it will work? Surely current EL averages will be used where they exist. Masters, Wells and Proctor all (will) have 2013 averages. Bjerre is more questionable. Do you use his 2012 average, or 2013 PL. Even where the PL average is used, why not convert it? Otherwise we are going to end up with some stupid scenarios. For example Simon Stead doesn't make a great start to his PL season and after 8 matches is averaging just below 8 (not bad, but a few mechanical problems and on just 8 matches your average is easily skewed. In contrast Sam Masters slightly increases his PL average such that he now averages the same as Stead. Meanwhile without the mechanical gremlins Stead has pushed his EL average above 6 (and his season's average is actually around 7). Being a Friday double-up rider Masters hasn't ridden much in the EL so far so his average is slightly increased at 4. Yet based on all of this Stead is allowed to ride at reserve for Masters. So the season becomes about who can take most advantage of the guest options. Instead of looking for a 4 point ringer, teams are trying to manipulate the guest options to get a PL ringer. And don't be surprised to see certain riders turning down guest appearances as the richer clubs pay them to effectively be on their reserve lists. And yo'd have the situation where Wells can guest for Poole's reserve Tungate, but not Coventry's Heat leader Zengota even though the latter's EL average is nearly two points higher than the former. Or even better, if Masters is unavailable, redeclare dropping Wells and replacing him with somebody like Nermark, and then use Wells as a PL guest for Masters. Stretching it a bit, but it is a silly rule if it exists as described. I hope your interpretation is wrong, as it only makes a bad situation even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Im quite sure they will be using PL averages when using guests. The whole thing is shambolic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Im quite sure they will be using PL averages when using guests. The whole thing is shambolic. Where have you got that from? TNT? it makes no sense. They have always used EL average for replacing EL double uppers, why change now? It make no sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Where have you got that from? TNT? it makes no sense. They have always used EL average for replacing EL double uppers, why change now? It make no sense at all. Maybe someone who got it off TNT. I have seen it been said several times on Twitter and maybe here too it doesnt make sense to me either. If they have a EL average then that should be used but we know that doesnt always happen. Didnt Roynon guest for someone last year and they used his PL average instead of his EL average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Where have you got that from? TNT? it makes no sense. They have always used EL average for replacing EL double uppers, why change now? It make no sense at all. Must be honest and say what TNT has said is what I have heard, but since when has anything the BSPA done made sense. The whole things a crock of Shyte and has been for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Maybe someone who got it off TNT. I have seen it been said several times on Twitter and maybe here too it doesnt make sense to me either. If they have a EL average then that should be used but we know that doesnt always happen. Didnt Roynon guest for someone last year and they used his PL average instead of his EL average? Roynon did use his PL average but he was the guest. But any time your double uppers were missing, you used their EL averages to determine the facility. Must be honest and say what TNT has said is what I have heard, but since when has anything the BSPA done made sense. The whole things a crock of Shyte and has been for years. Jesus, even by BSPA standards this makes no sense. Sign a rider on a low EL average but high Pl average whos going to be missing/injured/ill and you can use a better rider as a guest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Where have you got that from? TNT? it makes no sense. They have always used EL average for replacing EL double uppers, why change now? It make no sense at all. When a doublingup rider is not available then you can book a guest that has a lower PL average of the rider that is missing. So when Ricky Wells is out, Wolves can only use a guest that has a PL average lower than the 6.49 that Ricky currently holds. Where did I get it from ? CVS and Peter Adams ..................... and there was a few hundred to confirm that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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