Wolverhampton 2013

[Beowulf]

1 - Tai Woffinden 8.80

2 - Ty Proctor 5.53

3 - Fredrik Lindgren 8.68

4 - Ricky Kling 5.79

5 - Adam Skornicki 6.57

6 - Matej Kus 4.12

7 - Jacob Thorssell 3.00

 

 

Is it a team that is sure to reach the play offs ? ....... not too sure

 

Is it a team that should score more league points at home ? ......... Yes

 

 

Adam may not be the inspring signing we had wanted or one that will improve his average like Janowski or Kennett are likey to, but he is a rider that will add stability to the team and would be more of a team man than a heat leader, helping the lower order riders out whe needed.

 

He will no doubt still come up with some brilliant race wins ..... and a few duck eggs too but he will score more than Ncolai would have and Matej Kus (or Ludvig) will score more than Pontus would have too .... so Wolves will be stronger, especially at home. ..... If they can score 3 more points at home and 2 more away than Nic and Pontus, Wolves would be 7 points better off at home and 6 points better off away going off last seasons results .... and given them and two away wins !!

 

 

That would have put Wolves on 44 points .... the same as Birmingham and Lakeside but those extra points would have made them finish with less.

 

 

If as expected, it is the team listed above, Wolves like Poole will have just over 4 for the last place and the south coast team will yet again be among the title favourites .... so how do they compare ?

 

 

Tai and Fred v Holder and Darcy ..... Poole are 2-3 points better off

 

Adam and Ricky v Magic and Misko ...... Got to say Poole are 2-3 points better off again

 

Ty v ? ..... Wolves better off by 2-3 points

 

Kus and Jacob v Rohan and Howarth ...... Wolves 1 point better off

 

 

So Poole may be better, but Wolve could suprise a few and with a better home record, they should be at least closer to the play offs than the last few seasons

 

You're so obessed with Kling that you've changed his name for Wells !

[noaksey]

Ricky Kling?

[T.N.T.]

Jacob v Pontus ..... Pontus is better than Jacob at the moment but while Pontus did get better in the end, the progress Jacob made was much more rapid and when he started there was some saying bring back Sowka !!!

 

 

Pontus scored 10+2 at reserve v Belle Vue .... a match the opposition didn't really try

 

Jacob however scored 8+2 at Poole ...... against a fully fit Pirates team

 

 

 

For me Jacob looked the one who was more determined and who would progress more ..... Pontus would have been about the same I think

[foreverblue]

Who would want Kling probably the worst poole rider since karol baran

[stevebrum]

Is Kus really a better option than Jorgensen?

 

Personally speaking i would prefer Jorgensen. Looks a tidy prospect and can only get better.

Kus appears desperate to show that his short time with Wolves wasnt a true representation of his ability.

I was delighted when he was announced as i believed he would be a great signing but im more unsure after seeing him look so out of his depth.

Plus he hasnt really kicked on much in the PL the past 2 seasons so im becoming more unsure if he is worth signing. Saying that, i fully expect he will!

 

 

 

Aspgren was out of his depth for the No 2 position. As usual, you are incorrect, he didn't average over 3 riding in that position.

 

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Using partial facts to assume he is right.

 

 

Pontus had more meetings due to the Midland Cup at the start of the season, plus the Elite Shield. The feeling is Thorssell will progress quicker.

 

Fully agree.

 

 

Who would want Kling probably the worst poole rider since karol baran

 

In reserve he is fine. But he would need to stay in reserve all season. Plus he is decent at Monmore.

Edited December 18, 2012 by stevebrum

[BWitcher]

Tbh.. if I had to choose out of Kus, Jorgensen and Kling, to ride at reserve... I would actually go with Kling. He is a very decent rider at Monmore and should, with the makeup of the time spend most, if not all, of the season at reserve. He could average 5 from the reserve berth.

[Wolfsbane]

Tbh.. if I had to choose out of Kus, Jorgensen and Kling, to ride at reserve... I would actually go with Kling. He is a very decent rider at Monmore and should, with the makeup of the time spend most, if not all, of the season at reserve. He could average 5 from the reserve berth.

 

Based on where we've arrived at Kling got to agree.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Wolfsbane

[Pinny]

Personally speaking i would prefer Jorgensen. Looks a tidy prospect and can only get better.

Kus appears desperate to show that his short time with Wolves wasnt a true representation of his ability.

I was delighted when he was announced as i believed he would be a great signing but im more unsure after seeing him look so out of his depth.

Plus he hasnt really kicked on much in the PL the past 2 seasons so im becoming more unsure if he is worth signing. Saying that, i fully expect he will!

 

 

 

 

 

Using partial facts to assume he is right.

 

 

 

 

Fully agree.

 

 

 

 

In reserve he is fine. But he would need to stay in reserve all season. Plus he is decent at Monmore.

 

 

 

 

 

Using partial facts to assume he is right.

 

 

Havent you blocked me Stephen?

[noaksey]

New 4.00 rider anyone?

[fish keeper]

New 4.00 rider anyone?

New 4.00 rider anyone?

Who will come in on 4.00

[Warren2]

Skornicki 3rd heat leader?

 

I actually got 1 correct :-)

[noaksey]

 

Who will come in on 4.00

 

Untried Pole

[fish keeper]

Untried Pole

Better ask Skornicki to recommend one then like the last ohe.

[sandking072]

First of all, let me say that we're lucky that since CVS took charge at Wolves, every October, we've always known that come the following March, Wolves would be running and in the top division.

 

Secondly, this is not meant as a dig at Adam Skornicki or any other rider. He's always been a loyal and popular performer for Wolves and figured prominently in the Play-Off wins of 2002 and 2009.

 

However, is it really a wise decision to keep on returning to our former riders to dig us out of a hole? After winning the 2009 Play-Offs and reaching them again in 2010, Wolves have suffered two mediocre (at best) seasons. Co-incidentally, around the same time as Dudley moved into the Green. At the recent talk-in, I asked the question "Would the management agree that they had taken their eye off the ball since Dudley moved in?" The answer was a fudge of "It's lovely to work with riders before they develop big egos." So, basically, they don't agree. The evidence is there. People voting with their feet, poor racing (when Dudley are racing the following night), laboured and outdated presentation..........The list goes on.

 

As an away traveller, many car conversations have revolved around these issues for at least 18 months. My 3 travelling companions have at least 120 years experience of watching live speedway between them. I'm the youngster with 28. If we've all seen this coming, how on earth have our promotion been so myopic? Using the same old faces associated with failure. Like I said earlier, this is not a dig at individual riders, more a gripe with the general situation. What was needed for 2013 was new faces to get the fans excited again. A statement of intent if you like. It hasn't happened.

 

CVS also said at the talk-in that Wolves made heavy losses last season. So, in their defence, are finances a problem for next season? Is Skornicki the cheapest option out there? If so, then all well and good, just be transparent about it. He also stated that he usually does his deals with the stadium for the following season around June time. This year, it was on the day of the talk-in. So, maybe finance is a problem. The Parry's situation is also a worry. The performance related sponsorship deal is a good idea if you have a team heading for the Play-Offs. I can't see any way we'll get there in 2013. 7th might be the best we can hope for. If that's the case, will Parry's pull the sponsorship deal?

 

Congratulations if you managed to get this far. Must have been a slog to do to so. I just want Wolves to return to being a club worthy of challenging for honours again. Not among the also-rans.

[Fourentee]

Is Kus really a better option than Jorgensen?

Tbh.. if I had to choose out of Kus, Jorgensen and Kling, to ride at reserve... I would actually go with Kling. He is a very decent rider at Monmore and should, with the makeup of the time spend most, if not all, of the season at reserve. He could average 5 from the reserve berth.

New 4.00 rider anyone?

Difficult, difficult. I would be surprised if Kus were signed, given his struggles last season. Against that, he was drafted in mid-campaign in a struggling side and found it hard to make an instant impact. I feel there's more talent there than he showed last season; he was very disappointed with his showings.

I'm an unabashed admirer of Jorgensen: Very stylish rider, determined, a great 'can-do' attitude and the sort of character who seems to fit very easily into a team. I imagine any Scunthorpe fans who have strayed into this thread would say much the same. I really think this lad has a future in the top flight and would love to see him on the club books.

New four-pointer: The regulation changes would seem to have put an end to the instant hero who comes in on a four and proceeds to tear up the track, but in recent seasons I don't recall seeing many of that breed ending up at Monmore anyway!

As to Kling, I'm with Bwitcher on this one. He had an early run-out at Monmore some years ago in the Olympique and has always been decent at the Green. But that original promise hasn't truly been fulfilled and one has to wonder if it will.

So, for my fourpence, and sitting somewhat on the fence, in the short term Kling and the long term, Jorgensen. Given that the points ceiling makes the sport in essence a series of short-term challenges, and bearing in mind also that Wolves will have a young and relatively inexperienced Swede at reserve in Thorssell, I'd go (reluctantly and with a guilty apology in the direction of Jorgensen), with Kling.

Edit: Excellent post, Sandking, IMHO.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Fourentee

[noaksey]

Great post Sandking

[Wolfsbane]

.........'just be transparent about it'...........

 

And there Sandking in 5 words is the nub of the issue, not just at Wolves, but the sport as a whole.

 

I just hope they're not preparing the ground for a 'use it or lose it' statement because they wouldn't get any sympathy from me. The only ones who would get that would be the fans who have rolled up every monday and handed over their hard earned for a product of ever decreasing quality.

 

Great post BTW, said it all.

[Tommy Sweetman]

First of all, let me say that we're lucky that since CVS took charge at Wolves, every October, we've always known that come the following March, Wolves would be running and in the top division.

 

Secondly, this is not meant as a dig at Adam Skornicki or any other rider. He's always been a loyal and popular performer for Wolves and figured prominently in the Play-Off wins of 2002 and 2009.

 

However, is it really a wise decision to keep on returning to our former riders to dig us out of a hole? After winning the 2009 Play-Offs and reaching them again in 2010, Wolves have suffered two mediocre (at best) seasons. Co-incidentally, around the same time as Dudley moved into the Green. At the recent talk-in, I asked the question "Would the management agree that they had taken their eye off the ball since Dudley moved in?" The answer was a fudge of "It's lovely to work with riders before they develop big egos." So, basically, they don't agree. The evidence is there. People voting with their feet, poor racing (when Dudley are racing the following night), laboured and outdated presentation..........The list goes on.

 

As an away traveller, many car conversations have revolved around these issues for at least 18 months. My 3 travelling companions have at least 120 years experience of watching live speedway between them. I'm the youngster with 28. If we've all seen this coming, how on earth have our promotion been so myopic? Using the same old faces associated with failure. Like I said earlier, this is not a dig at individual riders, more a gripe with the general situation. What was needed for 2013 was new faces to get the fans excited again. A statement of intent if you like. It hasn't happened.

 

CVS also said at the talk-in that Wolves made heavy losses last season. So, in their defence, are finances a problem for next season? Is Skornicki the cheapest option out there? If so, then all well and good, just be transparent about it. He also stated that he usually does his deals with the stadium for the following season around June time. This year, it was on the day of the talk-in. So, maybe finance is a problem. The Parry's situation is also a worry. The performance related sponsorship deal is a good idea if you have a team heading for the Play-Offs. I can't see any way we'll get there in 2013. 7th might be the best we can hope for. If that's the case, will Parry's pull the sponsorship deal?

 

Congratulations if you managed to get this far. Must have been a slog to do to so. I just want Wolves to return to being a club worthy of challenging for honours again. Not among the also-rans.

Says it all really.

Great and honest post Sandking.

[fish keeper]

Good post Sandking

[BWitcher]

Good post from Sandking, however, have to object to the 'same old faces associated with failure' comment.

 

Which of these faces failed in their jobs last year? Certainly not Wells, nor Woffinden, nor Proctor.

 

Lindgren yes (to an extent), but surely nobody would suggest we shouldn't have him back.

 

The 3 who failed were Klindt (mainly due to injury), Aspgren and Sowka. All 3 not in the team this season.

 

The promotion failed due to not reacting quickly enough to address the problems, although to an extent with the way the pts limit and rules were, their hands were somewhat tied. They took a gamble, it didn't pay off. Sowka for example, showed in the Kings Lynn meet he could do it if his head was in the right place. Had he performed like that all season, the picture would have been very different. He didn't.. the gamble failed.

 

I also find it interesting that people have a perception that the signing of Skornicki is somehow unpopular. The only gripes I can see are coming from a very small group of fans who frequent the BSF and Wolfcry. Looking at a wider source, namely the Social Media sites brings about a completely different perception with importantly many fans who have STOPPED going intimating they will now be returning.

 

I fully accept the idea and wish for new blood, but that is not a necessity for success. Having a balanced team with 7 riders who can contribute is the key.

 

Can't argue with some of the other points, although I think the malaise is with the sport in general, not just Wolverhampton. Winning also now seems to be far more important than it ever was.

 

I also believe that the doubling up situation does not help the sport at all. I want to see 7 riders represent my team in every meeting.. and barring injuries I want it to be the same 7. Next season could be worse than ever with the possibility of tracking teams with 4 riders and 3 guests.

 

Edited to add: I think its imperative for this team to hit the ground running. Early struggles will completely justify all the points that Sandking, Wolfie etc have made. Early success breeds confidence and sets you up for the season. Last year we lost a number of home meetings early on and the season was pretty much done from that point.

Edited December 19, 2012 by BWitcher