Aces51 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Lol, Wells and Proctor next. Never mind it could be worse, you could be a Belle Vue supporter With that Wolves team it looks a if CVS is determined to deprive us of the wooden spoon. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) What Wolves need and aren't getting are some exciting new faces What Wolves need is to track a team that doesnt rely on just three riders. Imo freddie and tai will score more points having Adam in the team. Why do we need to sign exciting riders? All our riders are racers. Sqora has been there and because of this can lift the team. I am not expecting to win the league but I feel 200% more confident than this time last year anout making the play offs. No untried riders and no one riding out of position. If Ty can suddenly find his 2010 form and Jacobs improvement continues, we will be fine. Matej Kus is likely to be the 2nd reserve. He was awful last year granted but he should be more prepared and fit next year. The problem with relying on Lindgren & Woffinden to score 12/13 points away from home is that last season (2012) in 13 away meetings Woffinden scored 12+ in 6 meetings and Lindgren in 15 away meetings only reached this on 4 occasions (without double points) so it's not only the bottom end of the team to worry about. . Nail hit on Head! Adam will lessen the burden on Tai and Freddie! He is like Pk, a calming influence and a real team player. Edited December 18, 2012 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 What Wolves need is to track a team that doesnt rely on just three riders. Imo freddie and tai will score more points having Adam in the team. Why do we need to sign exciting riders? All our riders are racers. Sqora has been there and because of this can lift the team. I am not expecting to win the league but I feel 200% more confident than this time last year anout making the play offs. No untried riders and no one riding out of position. If Ty can suddenly find his 2010 form and Jacobs improvement continues, we will be fine. Matej Kus is likely to be the 2nd reserve. He was awful last year granted but he should be more prepared and fit next year. . Nail hit on Head! Adam will lessen the burden on Tai and Freddie! He is like Pk, a calming influence and a real team player. Lets hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) What Wolves need is to track a team that doesnt rely on just three riders. Imo freddie and tai will score more points having Adam in the team. Why do we need to sign exciting riders? All our riders are racers. Sqora has been there and because of this can lift the team. I am not expecting to win the league but I feel 200% more confident than this time last year anout making the play offs. No untried riders and no one riding out of position. If Ty can suddenly find his 2010 form and Jacobs improvement continues, we will be fine. Matej Kus is likely to be the 2nd reserve. He was awful last year granted but he should be more prepared and fit next year. . Nail hit on Head! Adam will lessen the burden on Tai and Freddie! He is like Pk, a calming influence and a real team player. Finally some sense! In addition, factor in that we are not racing with a 5 man team. It doesn't take long for heads to drop when you have two riders in your side who are plainly out of their depth. When they've taken up a full 8pts of your team buidling and are actually averaging around 2.5 combined you are screwed. End of. A lot of talk about which riders will improve etc. Far less important now the pts limit is 42.5. In fact, should the team simply maintain their averages, 42.5 would give them a good shot at making the play-offs. Birmingham made it last year... combined averages? 41.84. Edited December 18, 2012 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Poor old Brum! Not only slaughtered on here for his onions, but then has to put on a brave face at this time every season and talk up the Wolves chances. Poor lad. The old comedy act of Van Twatten and Adams continue to make everyone laugh with their team building skills. Languishing with the Vue already by the looks of it. The signing of Thorsell proved this well and truly... failed to reach three by almost half a point and was invited back! Asprgren looked the far better prospect. And on 3.15 would of been a far better option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 The signing of Thorsell proved this well and truly... failed to reach three by almost half a point and was invited back! Asprgren looked the far better prospect. And on 3.15 would of been a far better option Saw a lot of them both did you Geoff? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Finally some sense! In addition, factor in that we are not racing with a 5 man team. It doesn't take long for heads to drop when you have two riders in your side who are plainly out of their depth. When they've taken up a full 8pts of your team buidling and are actually averaging around 2.5 combined you are screwed. End of. A lot of talk about which riders will improve etc. Far less important now the pts limit is 42.5. In fact, should the team simply maintain their averages, 42.5 would give them a good shot at making the play-offs. Birmingham made it last year... combined averages? 41.84. If your referring to Thorsell and Aspgren... I disagree that they were both out of their depth. Aspgren's real time average was 3.88 and 3.15 without bonus... Although he was far from impressive he didn't do THAT bad a job and in a good side at number 7, he would improve I reckon. Thorsell on the other hand... dear oh dear.. Saw a lot of them both did you Geoff? Geoff?! My name is Lewis actually and no my middle name isnt Geoff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBee Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Thorsell definitely looked the better of the two riders imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 If your referring to Thorsell and Aspgren... I disagree that they were both out of their depth. Aspgren's real time average was 3.88 and 3.15 without bonus... Although he was far from impressive he didn't do THAT bad a job and in a good side at number 7, he would improve I reckon. Thorsell on the other hand... dear oh dear.. Geoff?! My name is Lewis actually and no my middle name isnt Geoff! Thorsell only rode part of the season, and those who saw him home and away reckon that he is the better bet. Plus he's 3 years younger.I grant you that Aspgren had a hard job riding at number 2 and did finish the season well in the under 21's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 If your referring to Thorsell and Aspgren... I disagree that they were both out of their depth. Aspgren's real time average was 3.88 and 3.15 without bonus... Although he was far from impressive he didn't do THAT bad a job and in a good side at number 7, he would improve I reckon. Thorsell on the other hand... dear oh dear.. Geoff?! My name is Lewis actually and no my middle name isnt Geoff! So you didn't see either ride did you Geoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Poor old Brum! Not only slaughtered on here for his onions, By someone who doesnt read the full information, then clearly not. Thorsell definitely looked the better of the two riders imo. Anyone who watched the trio of Pontus, Lukasz and Jacob will know that Jacob looks the one who has the better ability. Pontus showed glimpses, more towards the tail end of the year whereas Jacob came in much later and impressed in more meetings with his fighting ability. Personally delighted that Jacob was chosen ahead of Pontus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 So you didn't see either ride did you Geoff. Hang on... you said out of their depth... didn't you shoot me down for stating Burmeister was last season when miles off a 3.00? Yet aspgren from number 2 averaged over 3,00 yet he is out of his depth! Yes seen thorsell ride many times on swedish tv and on the box last season and seen aspgren on sky too. How was the view from portugal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Thorsell only rode part of the season, and those who saw him home and away reckon that he is the better bet. Plus he's 3 years younger.I grant you that Aspgren had a hard job riding at number 2 and did finish the season well in the under 21's. Its only the comments of some that havent seen them ride that feel they can have a valid opinion that anyone would take seriously. I agree with you Pontus had a much tougher job but it still took him time to settle even after he went down to reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Is Kus really a better option than Jorgensen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Hang on... you said out of their depth... didn't you shoot me down for stating Burmeister was last season when miles off a 3.00? Yet aspgren from number 2 averaged over 3,00 yet he is out of his depth! Yes seen thorsell ride many times on swedish tv and on the box last season and seen aspgren on sky too. How was the view from portugal? Aspgren was out of his depth for the No 2 position. As usual, you are incorrect, he didn't average over 3 riding in that position. I base my opinion on the view from Monmore Green thankyou very much. Pontus did improve quite a bit towards the latter part of the season when riding at reserve, tbh either one of them at reserve would have been fine. They've gone with Jacob as they feel he can develop quicker. Time will tell with regards to that. Is Kus really a better option than Jorgensen? Its a good question.. I think Kus may be living of a decent showing in a GP more than what he has actually shown in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Aspgren was out of his depth for the No 2 position. As usual, you are incorrect, he didn't average over 3 riding in that position. I base my opinion on the view from Monmore Green thankyou very much. Pontus did improve quite a bit towards the latter part of the season when riding at reserve, tbh either one of them at reserve would have been fine. They've gone with Jacob as they feel he can develop quicker. Time will tell with regards to that. Its a good question.. I think Kus may be living of a decent showing in a GP more than what he has actually shown in the league. Aspgren only raced 4 more meetings than Thorsell including a long spell in the team and still managed to go above 3 whilst Thorsell didn't. If your happy with Thorsell rather than Aspgren fine but looking at their scores, I'd of gone with Aspgren personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) The signing of Thorsell proved this well and truly... failed to reach three by almost half a point and was invited back! Asprgren looked the far better prospect. And on 3.15 would of been a far better option . Did you actually see any of them ride? Pontus would have been back had the points limit been lower but we had to strengthen up. Jacob scored well away and has a real smooth style but had ridden just eight meetings that season and was only just 18 when be came over so is very in experienced. I expect him to improve with every race like most young riders. Edited December 18, 2012 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Aspgren only raced 4 more meetings than Thorsell including a long spell in the team and still managed to go above 3 whilst Thorsell didn't. If your happy with Thorsell rather than Aspgren fine but looking at their scores, I'd of gone with Aspgren personally. Pontus had more meetings due to the Midland Cup at the start of the season, plus the Elite Shield. The feeling is Thorssell will progress quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 . Did you actually see any of them ride? Pontus would have been back had the points limit been lower but we had to strengthen up. Jacob scored well away and has a real smooth style but had ridden just eight meetings that season and was only just 18 when be came over so is very in experienced. I expect him to improve with every race like most young riders. Yes seen them both ride. Not in the flesh but most on here havent seen the likes of Dudek, Zmarzlik, Michelsen etc ride yet seem to be sure they will be big hitters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 1 - Tai Woffinden 8.80 2 - Ty Proctor 5.53 3 - Fredrik Lindgren 8.68 4 - Ricky Kling 5.79 5 - Adam Skornicki 6.57 6 - Matej Kus 4.12 7 - Jacob Thorssell 3.00 Is it a team that is sure to reach the play offs ? ....... not too sure Is it a team that should score more league points at home ? ......... Yes Adam may not be the inspring signing we had wanted or one that will improve his average like Janowski or Kennett are likey to, but he is a rider that will add stability to the team and would be more of a team man than a heat leader, helping the lower order riders out whe needed. He will no doubt still come up with some brilliant race wins ..... and a few duck eggs too but he will score more than Ncolai would have and Matej Kus (or Ludvig) will score more than Pontus would have too .... so Wolves will be stronger, especially at home. ..... If they can score 3 more points at home and 2 more away than Nic and Pontus, Wolves would be 7 points better off at home and 6 points better off away going off last seasons results .... and given them and two away wins !! That would have put Wolves on 44 points .... the same as Birmingham and Lakeside but those extra points would have made them finish with less. If as expected, it is the team listed above, Wolves like Poole will have just over 4 for the last place and the south coast team will yet again be among the title favourites .... so how do they compare ? Tai and Fred v Holder and Darcy ..... Poole are 2-3 points better off Adam and Ricky v Magic and Misko ...... Got to say Poole are 2-3 points better off again Ty v ? ..... Wolves better off by 2-3 points Kus and Jacob v Rohan and Howarth ...... Wolves 1 point better off So Poole may be better, but Wolve could suprise a few and with a better home record, they should be at least closer to the play offs than the last few seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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