Tommy Sweetman Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 The team needs a fresh look and we need to cast attention outside of our asset base and use our assets to potentially do mutually beneficial season long swaps with other teams where applicable. 2012 team failed fundmentally on two 4 point riders who were worth less than 3 between them at the time. Behind that was Freddie's dip in form and injuries to Tai and Nicolai. There is also the fact that some riders may have been there too long and the club and rider would both benefit from a change, at least for a year. The way to win a title is having 2 riders having big average increases while the others at least are level or show small improvements. In the 2012 team Ricky Wells fits the bill. He has been a revelation and is holding his own at #4. Wolves in fact with their 'keep the faith' policy do get riders who can go from struggler to revelation in next season - Chris Kerr 2009/2010, Ricky this year. I'd say Burmeister may have been a 4-5 rider this year too based on his pace and gating. I would retain as the first order of business Freddie (testimonial year + scope to improve), Wells (seems to be able to hold his own in top 5) and Thorsell (could add numbers to a 3 point average next year and 'do a Ricky.' I'd likely keep Tai but would loan him for a year if we could get a rider on a lower average who could improve to the point he does Tai's job as 2nd top rider. Ty Proctor I would keep if he was a PL double upper. I think with more meetings and confidence from scoring points in the PL, he could add more numbers. If not I'd give him a year on loan but look to have him back in the future. Nicolai I think is less likely but to be considered if numbers fit a balanced team. Most likely I would say 3-4 max from 2012 to return. Needs more than minor tinkering based on our league position. I'd go for Fisher possibly - I feel with Monmore as a home base and his ability to ride big tracks (Peterboro in Sky Match) he could add a point and break through. What we can't do is simply do another hybrid of the 2009 title winning squad and the old Freddie, Tai, Nic and Ty and see who else fits. That was this years strategy and disaster ensued. We can't be too emotional in keeping our personal favorite riders but be a little colder. Its not the end of the world to loan an asset. Be interesting to know what other Wolves fans think about Steve,s proposals.Personally,id go along with most of his idea,s, Probably all of them in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I would think Throssell would be included in next year he has impressed me so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Be interesting to know what other Wolves fans think about Steve,s proposals..... It was going so well until he used the F word 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 It was going so well until he used the F word Presume you mean Fish and not Fred. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Cat from Mars Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Loan Sowka out to Belle Vue, I'm sure they would have him! No thank you to that! But thanks for thinking of us anyway! I had to count to ten before responding as my initial response may have got me banned from the forum! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 The team needs a fresh look and we need to cast attention outside of our asset base and use our assets to potentially do mutually beneficial season long swaps with other teams where applicable. 2012 team failed fundmentally on two 4 point riders who were worth less than 3 between them at the time. Behind that was Freddie's dip in form and injuries to Tai and Nicolai. There is also the fact that some riders may have been there too long and the club and rider would both benefit from a change, at least for a year. The way to win a title is having 2 riders having big average increases while the others at least are level or show small improvements. In the 2012 team Ricky Wells fits the bill. He has been a revelation and is holding his own at #4. Wolves in fact with their 'keep the faith' policy do get riders who can go from struggler to revelation in next season - Chris Kerr 2009/2010, Ricky this year. I'd say Burmeister may have been a 4-5 rider this year too based on his pace and gating. I would retain as the first order of business Freddie (testimonial year + scope to improve), Wells (seems to be able to hold his own in top 5) and Thorsell (could add numbers to a 3 point average next year and 'do a Ricky.' I'd likely keep Tai but would loan him for a year if we could get a rider on a lower average who could improve to the point he does Tai's job as 2nd top rider. Ty Proctor I would keep if he was a PL double upper. I think with more meetings and confidence from scoring points in the PL, he could add more numbers. If not I'd give him a year on loan but look to have him back in the future. Nicolai I think is less likely but to be considered if numbers fit a balanced team. Most likely I would say 3-4 max from 2012 to return. Needs more than minor tinkering based on our league position. I'd go for Fisher possibly - I feel with Monmore as a home base and his ability to ride big tracks (Peterboro in Sky Match) he could add a point and break through. What we can't do is simply do another hybrid of the 2009 title winning squad and the old Freddie, Tai, Nic and Ty and see who else fits. That was this years strategy and disaster ensued. We can't be too emotional in keeping our personal favorite riders but be a little colder. Its not the end of the world to loan an asset. Do I detect a recurring motif here, O west coast exile? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Do I detect a recurring motif here, O west coast exile? Could he please mention Hamill on an assessed 3 please as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 The silly season starts earlier and earlier. If certain rumours flying around are to be believed don't assume that certain riders who might appear to be "Nailed On " will be in the 2013 line up. Whatever happens, after 2 seasons with pretty much the same line up, and 2 seasons of failure, the time is right for a good clear out. Anyone with an ounce of common sense - so that would appear to rule out our promotion :D - has to see that you can't keep going to the same well if it not producing anything. Our promotion seem to favour the cheap option of recycling their current assets - but they must have realised by now that the fans don't seem to share their optimism with the set of riders that they currently have judging by the gaps on the terraces. Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtommo Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 would not have klindt back to inconsistant also overated by many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Didnt Sam once not show for a drug test after a meeting once, Ronnie Correy once turned up and failed a breath test at the fours finals at the EOES, we have forgiven our own before. Yes he did wrong & for that very reason he will not do anything again. You have a hard heart Jonesy As Kennett has been busted again, you're wrong. As for the other two instances, hardly comparable. would not have klindt back to inconsistant also overated by many Only ones over rating him are the ones criticising him. Edited August 27, 2012 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rach1 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 The silly season starts earlier and earlier. If certain rumours flying around are to be believed don't assume that certain riders who might appear to be "Nailed On " will be in the 2013 line up. Whatever happens, after 2 seasons with pretty much the same line up, and 2 seasons of failure, the time is right for a good clear out. Anyone with an ounce of common sense - so that would appear to rule out our promotion :D - has to see that you can't keep going to the same well if it not producing anything. Our promotion seem to favour the cheap option of recycling their current assets - but they must have realised by now that the fans don't seem to share their optimism with the set of riders that they currently have judging by the gaps on the terraces. Wolfie so no freddie or tia next year then bad luck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 so no freddie or tia next year then bad luck Its TAI. Poor attempt at humour. would not have klindt back to inconsistant also overated by many Who are these posters that over-rate him. Care to name them? Only ones over rating him are the ones criticising him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Do I detect a recurring motif here, O west coast exile? Schwartz won Costa Mesa Saturday. Have a nice day y'aaaalllllll Edited August 28, 2012 by SteveEvans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Schwartz won Costa Mesa Saturday. Have a nice day y'aaaalllllll Oh for the Good Old Days when watching speedway was fun and enjoyable - Sigalos,Schwartz, Ermolenko, Cook, Shawn and Kelly Moran :lol: The current batch of riders couldn't live with them in the entertainment stakes. Wolfie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 so no freddie or tia next year then bad luck Can imagine freddie still being with wolves next year esp when hes due a testimonial. However have been lots of rumours going round that tai wants a change and will be looking to ride at a different track next year. Could be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 However have been lots of rumours going round that tai wants a change and will be looking to ride at a different track next year. Could be interesting. Rumours, from where? Non been heard in Wolverhampton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietbowers Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Rumours, from where? Non been heard in Wolverhampton. That`s because nobody wants to talk to you.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Rumours, from where? Non been heard in Wolverhampton. I wouldn't expect that your hearing is that good, given where you live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 That`s because nobody wants to talk to you.. Nobody of any importance, sorry what did you say? I wouldn't expect that your hearing is that good, given where you live. At least thats clear. No rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Rumours, from where? Non been heard in Wolverhampton. Heard people talking about it at wolves last meeting with coventry Tai himself has also joked about needing more experiance on bigger tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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