Skodaman Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 the meeting took 2hrs.30mins to complete with no serious crashes, it was a joke, crowds dropped again but after tonight alot more will forget about going there, fans shouting get on with it is not a good sign either. it also seems hemsley doesnt give a monkeys about the club, he would rather have a holiday than support and run the club, is it time he sold up and moved on,as he has ruined the clubs comeback and put the future in doubt.. In my opinion, Leicester did not deserve to win. In my mind the meeting took such a long time because the referee did not push it along. He could have used the 2minute warning on more occasions. Some Workington riders were always slow from the pits; on several occasions the Lions riders were at the tapes waiting for the opposition to appear; there were several restarts due to starting infringments (one positive for the referee) and falls. When a restart is required, the referee must allow one minute before he puts the riders on two minutes, at times he was allowing much longer. There were restarts in at least 10 of the fifteen races. David Hemsley caannot be blamed for the shambles of last night - when are you going to say something positive about him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Crap track Crap referee Crap presentation Crap riding by Leicester Crap starting marshall Guess what it all was. Yes everything was quite simply crap from Leicester's point of view. Workington however just got stuck in and fully deserved their win and in Adam Roynon they have a rider to cherish. A typical negative post and people wonder why nobody of any intelligence use this forum anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Crap track Crap referee Crap presentation Crap riding by Leicester Crap starting marshall Guess what it all was. Yes everything was quite simply crap from Leicester's point of view. Workington however just got stuck in and fully deserved their win and in Adam Roynon they have a rider to cherish. Strange as it may seem, between the crap there was some good racing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Strange as it may seem, between the crap there was some good racing!! Marrow boy only sees what he wants to....same as robot 72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 A typical negative post and people wonder why nobody of any intelligence use this forum anymore. Think you should rephrase your comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennylion Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Nobody came out of last night well other than the odd individual (particularly Roynon and Lawson). I don't know enough about the track to make comment but was surprised at the repeated dirt withdrawal. I can't think many casual or first time supporters would rush back, irrespective of racing quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp45 Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Nice to see Mr Hemsleys mouth piece back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Marrow boy only sees what he wants to....same as robot 72 I think you are wrong there. Barrow boy has always stuck up for Leicester so for him to say anything negative means he must have been really cheesed off. I won't mention any names but someone else I know was being critical as well so it really must have not been a very enjoyable evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 I think you are wrong there. Barrow boy has always stuck up for Leicester so for him to say anything negative means he must have been really cheesed off. I won't mention any names but someone else I know was being critical as well so it really must have not been a very enjoyable evening. I try to be fair with my comments and I have to admit that I did not enjoy this meeting at all especially after last weeks extended meeting when Rye House were our opponents. In my opinion it is the referee that should push the meeting on. Two or three weeks ago my wife was surprised when I was home at just after 9 o'clock; that week the referee really pushed the meeting on due to impending rain which never arrived; and so it can be done but it needs the riders, team managers and referee to want it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 There is a topic on here in the Speedway General Discussions section called False Starts and I think we are all in agreement that riders returning to the pits when they've only gone about two hundred yards is very annoying. At Coventry as soon as there is a false start a man in orange overalls rushes to open the gate so all the riders can toddle off back to the pits and we're left standing around for another 5 minutes. Drives me mad and personally I'd rugby tackle him if I was younger and had the strength. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 i have asked the question why do riders return to the pits and the answer i got off the riders i asked was after a false start the clutch gets very hot and needs to be cooled down before they can restart or otherwise they can burn out and that could prove costly. other reasons are some fuel tanks only just hold enough for four laps and need to be topped up and the rear chain might need adjusting as they can go tight after a start and another start could result in the chain snapping which can be dangerous.i agree it is annoying but it seems they dont return to the pits just for the fun of it. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 i have asked the question why do riders return to the pits and the answer i got off the riders i asked was after a false start the clutch gets very hot and needs to be cooled down before they can restart or otherwise they can burn out and that could prove costly. Spot on. If/when a clutch goes wrong, they are expensive to replace. My own personal pet peeve is when referees/supporters seem to want to get a meeting over and done as soon as possible, so they can get home 5-10 minutes earlier. After a restart, I think a minimum of 2 minutes should be given to allow the rider(s) to sort out any issues. And if a rider is fallen, he should be given more time to clean out the chain, sort out the clutch, fuel up again, etc. I've seen it happen far too often. A rider falls, not given enough time to get everything sorted, and then the bike lasts 30 metres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) It's not a matter of getting home 5-10 minutes earlier, for me it's the flow of the meeting and keeping punters interested. If I wanted to stand around and look at an empty track or tractor racing I'd go to the countryside and look at a field... It's a hell of a lot cheaper!! Edited August 20, 2012 by iainb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 I think you are wrong there. Barrow boy has always stuck up for Leicester so for him to say anything negative means he must have been really cheesed off. I won't mention any names but someone else I know was being critical as well so it really must have not been a very enjoyable evening. You are spot on Gemini. I have as you say always defended the new Leicester and have been annoyed at times by the constant carping of some on here. I still am grateful to all those who have in any way contributed to the return of Leicester Lions and I will continue to attend as many home meetings as possible and will support all concerned in their efforts to ensure that the sport continues to prosper at Beaumont Park. Last night's meeting was however the most dire I have attended for the reasons already stated but I truly hope that this was just one of those nights. Regarding the riders messing about at the starts, all it needs is a rule which allows the starting marshall to make the rider in gate 1 move up first followed by gates 2,3 & 4. Riders ignoring this instruction to be warned and then penalised by the referee for repeated offences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 You are spot on Gemini. I have as you say always defended the new Leicester and have been annoyed at times by the constant carping of some on here. I still am grateful to all those who have in any way contributed to the return of Leicester Lions and I will continue to attend as many home meetings as possible and will support all concerned in their efforts to ensure that the sport continues to prosper at Beaumont Park. Last night's meeting was however the most dire I have attended for the reasons already stated but I truly hope that this was just one of those nights. Regarding the riders messing about at the starts, all it needs is a rule which allows the starting marshall to make the rider in gate 1 move up first followed by gates 2,3 & 4. Riders ignoring this instruction to be warned and then penalised by the referee for repeated offences. ive been saying the same for years there should be a rule as where the start marshall moves riders in in a set order (nothing stopping the others to take there place before) as youve said maybe go gate 1 first then 2,3,4 or gate 1 then 4 then 2 then 3 but think its about time there was a procedure to follow which would make it easier to say who was delaying the start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 You are spot on Gemini. I have as you say always defended the new Leicester and have been annoyed at times by the constant carping of some on here. I still am grateful to all those who have in any way contributed to the return of Leicester Lions and I will continue to attend as many home meetings as possible and will support all concerned in their efforts to ensure that the sport continues to prosper at Beaumont Park. Last night's meeting was however the most dire I have attended for the reasons already stated but I truly hope that this was just one of those nights. Regarding the riders messing about at the starts, all it needs is a rule which allows the starting marshall to make the rider in gate 1 move up first followed by gates 2,3 & 4. Riders ignoring this instruction to be warned and then penalised by the referee for repeated offences. I entirely agree with you the messing about at the start was the worst i have seen it , the start marshals might as well not have been there for all the notice anyone took of them, if they will not come to the tapes & are persistantly offending they should start excluding riders, then maybe they will co-operate more.This certainly made the meeting far longer than it should have taken, but i find it hard to understand why people put the blame on the promotion, it wasn' t them who caused heat 1 to take 3 attempts at it before it was completed, for example. The blame should lie firmly with the riders for all the messing about & with the referee who let them get away with it , after all he supposed to be in charge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 barrow boy Last night's meeting was however the most dire I have attended for the reasons already stated but I truly hope that this was just one of those nights. I do hope you weren't at Coventry tonight or watched the meeting on Sky. It probably made Leicester's look really exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedflash Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 As most of you know I dont post on here anymore. On Sunday night after the meeting I had a meeting with the team to sort out the track problem. So I removed the total surface of the track down to the type1 bace and put it in each corner (on the outside) this took me till 1.30am. Then this morning a sample of the dirt has gone to the Lab to give me a breakdown of whats in it or not. I feel that the fantastic drainage we have has washed the clay content out the surface as we have a few feet of clay in the bottom of each of the main drains. This has give us a very sandy surface which ruts up badly on turns 3/4 thats why we have a lot of grading. The riders have spoken, I have listened and we will sort the problem. We have been able to run meetings in very wet condition but I fear we have a price to pay now to replace the track surface. Cheers 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rskinner Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 I don't know Mr Helmsley, never met him, I don't even know his first name. Does he have children? If so wouldn't it be appropriate to take them away in holiday, or take them out of school between November and March when you have to fly half way around the world to get any decent weather? Even if he doesn't have kids, doesn't the guy deserve a break? I'm sure there are people quite capable of running the place for a week or two while Mr Helmsley is away. Well said that man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 As most of you know I dont post on here anymore. On Sunday night after the meeting I had a meeting with the team to sort out the track problem. So I removed the total surface of the track down to the type1 bace and put it in each corner (on the outside) this took me till 1.30am. Then this morning a sample of the dirt has gone to the Lab to give me a breakdown of whats in it or not. I feel that the fantastic drainage we have has washed the clay content out the surface as we have a few feet of clay in the bottom of each of the main drains. This has give us a very sandy surface which ruts up badly on turns 3/4 thats why we have a lot of grading. The riders have spoken, I have listened and we will sort the problem. We have been able to run meetings in very wet condition but I fear we have a price to pay now to replace the track surface. Cheers I think the promotion have failed to listen to the fans, that in itself is a bad mistake, the track shape should of been changed, the excuse was the riders like it, which riders like it? linus said its hard to pass if you dont make the start? it doesnt suit blackbird,lasse would like a track he could overtake on as he is not the best of gaters,nemo struggled to pass on sunday, so i dont buy it the riders dont want a change and what home advantage did they have on sunday? its a shambles at BP, roll on the brit GP time to watch real speedway again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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