Martin Vaculik Unhappy With His Exclusion At Sgp Terenzano ?

[bigcatdiary]

Awful GP and that can hardly be called a racetrack, and that has to be the poorest crowd at a GP so far this year.

[iris123]

A few years ago we would have had pages slagging off Ole Olsen for that track last night!!!What i can't understand is why we can't have improvements made to track prep or to the material?Talking to someone who has been to Italy a few times and he said their idea of track prep was to just chuck water on it.He thought the first time that a mistake had been made,but it is what happens every time.Think it is good that the FIM support the smaller speedway countries,but Italy isn't the place for a GP imo

[Odds On]

Awful advert for speedway in many terms.

Awful track.

Racing non eventful.

Crowd non existent.

After watching the Olympics our sport could learn a hell of a lot, attitude of riders, professionalism of the sport and organisers. Sportsmanship of riders in general, not just in GPs may I add.

After the success of the Olympics our sport faces even bigger challenges from others in terms of youngsters wanting to be either a Farrow, Ennis, Rutherford, Daley, etc etc... Is our sport set up well enough to compete for youngsters to try our sport, attract new sponsors, attract people through the turnstiles, I believe the answer to all those questions is no.

Speedway GPs are our sports advert to a wider audience, just how much publicity did the sport of BMX as a sport receive in one week compared to years and years of GPs?

[iris123]

I'd agree,it was a bad advert for speedway in so many ways.Does a lot of damage.....well it would do if there was any non speedway fans watching.And i would doubt really that too many non speedway fans tune in with no idea of what the sport is about.But if they see that as the best the sport can offer then i doubt they will be searching out the fixtures for their local track

[longlivefrankie]

first speedway meeting I've seen for a few months, jeez how bad was that if that's the pinnacle of the sport god help it. I watched it with a few people who hadn't seen speedway ... they weren't impressed. they did comment on the commentators who in the words of the newbies "over excited about nothing" "why all they shouting when nothings happening" me i reckon Pearson's Italian cousin was doing the stadium announcing as well!

[brandonbee48]

brandonbee48, on 11 August 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

 

Should have been all 4 back. There you go.

 

Vaculik tried to ride through Emil and instead ended up chin first to the ground. He was excluded, his mistake.

 

I would be a VERY benevolent referee, which is why they would never have me in the box.

There was elbowing from the gate with Martin and Emil and as it was a GP final i would have put Vaculik back in- especially as my number one concern was that he was still in one piece-thank goodness. When a guy has slogged his guts out to get into a final i would cut him a bit of slack. But that's me. The ref thought the same way as you so you are right and i am wrong. Cheers. Alan

[f-s-p]

brandonbee48, on 11 August 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

 

Should have been all 4 back. There you go.

The ref thought the same way as you so you are right and i am wrong. Cheers. Alan

Now that might the reason you're kept out of the box. You would have changed your call when MV phoned the box...

 

I also noticed the elbows. But the carnage itself was a totally different incident in my view and something MV caused. And the fall looked really bad, REALLY bad. Vaculik was very lucky to get away with it.

Edited August 12, 2012 by f-s-p

[A ORLOV]

By the reports on here I am glad I watched the Olympics instead of this meeting. I tend now to pick and choose the GP meetings I watch live since watching a few this year a couple have been boring.

[SPEEDY69]

By the reports on here I am glad I watched the Olympics instead of this meeting. I tend now to pick and choose the GP meetings I watch live since watching a few this year a couple have been boring.

I think the GP series is tired and it's time to change qualifying so that riders can get in in the same year. Also cut it down to five or six rounds max. However I've always preferred team racing so those who love individuals may think diferently.

 

[mickthemuppet]

Of course it should have been all four back in the final. The crash was as much the fault of ES as MV.

You are robbing the public of a big race final. A little bit of sense should be applied. After 22 heats who wants to see a three man race off final. If ES had gone down would he have been excluded?

[SCB]

If ES had gone down would he have been excluded?

No. Because Vaculik had just rode into him.

 

I can't believe this decision is even being questioned. You can't run into another rider, fall off and then expect to be in the rerun.

[Blazeaway]

Awful meeting, GP series is tired blah blah blah.

 

Yes Saturday wasn't the best but on the whole the racing has been first class the season. It's shaping up to be the most exciting finish to a season for ages.

[PHILIPRISING]

No. Because Vaculik had just rode into him.

 

I can't believe this decision is even being questioned. You can't run into another rider, fall off and then expect to be in the rerun.

 

NOT sure that opinion would have gathered much support amongst the pits viewing fraternity including most of the riders. But your view endorsed that of the only man that really mattered. At least Craig Ackroyd was prepared to tell Vaculik why and how he came to his decision but still think the majority felt that it was an innocent coming together (certainly no blame attached to Sayfutdinov) and that a rerun with all four would not have been contested.

[Navigator1900]

From my point of view Martin Vaculik just tried too hard and got the receipt for his hard riding style. Maybe it was also unlucky, but I think, correct decision to exclude him from the final heat. If every GP rider had the same attitude, we would see by far to many crashes, delays and bad injuries. His explanation: bad decision, Speedway is a hard sport ...... ?

 

I wonder your opinions, best wishes from Switzerland !

[SCB]

NOT sure that opinion would have gathered much support amongst the pits viewing fraternity including most of the riders. But your view endorsed that of the only man that really mattered. At least Craig Ackroyd was prepared to tell Vaculik why and how he came to his decision but still think the majority felt that it was an innocent coming together (certainly no blame attached to Sayfutdinov) and that a rerun with all four would not have been contested.

He turned right out of the start and rode into Sayfutdinov before they were even at the bend and then rode into him mid-bend. Frankly, even if nobody had fallen off it was a diabolical bit of riding.

[lucifer sam]

Vaculik completely messed up the first corner. He was rightfully excluded from the re-run.

 

So will we be going back to Terenzano in 2013? The track was appalling on Saturday evening. The worst GP round for a few years. The Grand Prix has been exciting and wide open this year, but Saturday's meeting was a big let down. Surely the track should be better than that?

 

All the best

Rob

Edited August 13, 2012 by lucifer sam

[Chris]

Unreal if they are going back next year.

 

That venue does nothing for the sport and needs to removed.

[New Science]

Unreal if they are going back next year.

 

That venue does nothing for the sport and needs to removed.

Yes but they are prepared to do what other venues are not ie pay a large sanctioning fee to BSI.Money will always be king not what might be best for riders,fans or a TV audience or the sport in general.It has been shown that you can have a GP anywhere in the world(New Zealand)as long as you are prepared to pay for it yourself.

[Navigator1900]

So I try again my first comment on the Italy SGP. Let's try to demonstrate via this forum BSI, that really should change back to Lonigo instead of less popular Terenzano. Not only the track, but the whole surroundings in Lonigo are much better ! Nice Pizzeria just outside of the stadium. Small city Lonigo has more to offer than Terenzano, when I visited 2 years ago I was not easy to find and more complicated to find our way back to our hotel about 30 kms away ..

 

By the way, I think Martin Vaculik's disqualification after his crash was correct ! He mentionned, bad decision, Speedway is a hard sport. If all would ride as he does, we would have by far too much crashes, injuries and delays ...

best wishes from a Swiss Speedway Supporter.

 

brandonbee48, on 11 August 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

 

Should have been all 4 back. There you go.

 

Vaculik tried to ride through Emil and instead ended up chin first to the ground. He was excluded, his mistake.

 

I would be a VERY benevolent referee, which is why they would never have me in the box.

There was elbowing from the gate with Martin and Emil and as it was a GP final i would have put Vaculik back in- especially as my number one concern was that he was still in one piece-thank goodness. When a guy has slogged his guts out to get into a final i would cut him a bit of slack. But that's me. The ref thought the same way as you so you are right and i am wrong. Cheers. Alan

 

I really think the referee was right to put Martin V. out after his crash : his fault, strange comment by V. bad decision, Speedway is hard sport ! cheers

[Debbi]

Have to say this was my first visit to Terenzano, you have to walk a mile (quite literally) from where the coach is allowed to park! There was minimal merchandise very few food stands and nothing else - it really did not seem very fan friendly. The atmosphere was non-existent it was that bad that even the Polish fans were quiet - I have never seen that before! I couldn't believe how empty the stadium was, but having seen the meeting I understand why! Think I had more dust in my shoes than the track had on it, there was a clear blue line around the bends.

 

The bonus was that we were far enough away from tatum and pearson not to have them screaming down our ears unlike the poor victims in the next section to us - they were stood in front of the refs box out in the open.

 

I felt sorry for Vaculik from where we were sat it was obvious either he, Emil or both were not going to get round the first bend they were elbowing at the start before the tapes even went up and then just angled at each other would have rather seen all 4 back but hey thats racing.

 

It was nice to see Jarek at the track.

 

The only reason I would go back to this track is if Travel Plus go back to Lake Bled that made the whole weekend for me, otherwise I would not go anywhere this track again!