Fourentee Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 I am still looking forward to this meeting greatly, Garrity and Irving are two exciting riders to watch and add them to the rest on show we still have a great meeting to see. I wouldn't insult Halsey, Nielsen, Jacobs, Bates and Terry-Daley by bleating on about the missing Heeps and Blackbird, but then for me it has always been club first! Obviously Dudley supporters on here view it differently. I wonder how Bekker, Greenwood, Ritchings and W-Williams feel as they seem to almost have been dismissed with Morris and Roynon missing? Dismissed? What a curious interpretation. Or are you attempting to indicate that Dudley's chances of victory on Sunday are not significantly damaged by the absence of two riders averaging 20.5 between them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Phil you are absolutely spot on, still fancy this to be a good meeting. Lets hope for good weather, and a good contingent of "Speedway" Supporters wherever they are from. Sadly, Kev, where the Dudley fans are right is that this meeting would unquestionably be better if it was run at 3pm (although I have little doubt that that is not their motivation for raising the issue). The meeting would be deprived of the hugely entertaining talents of Heeps & Perry anyway, but there's nothing anyone can do about that. There's no question though, that a meeting with one guest would be infinitely preferable to one with two guests and two lots of rider replacement. If the match could be held at 3pm, it should be regardless of who gains and who loses and whether a promise was made to run at that time or not. I fear that the decision to run at 4.30 will severely affect what should be easily Mildenhall's biggest gate of the league season, because the Dudley lot and many neutrals simply won't come (to put it into perspective, 3pm I would be choosing where I go for my speedway this weekend, 4.30 the wife can ). Given that consensus was on Saturday night that Mildenhall won't top the NL prior to the play offs anyway, the possible result of this match shouldn't really come into any decision on the start time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Dismissed? What a curious interpretation. Or are you attempting to indicate that Dudley's chances of victory on Sunday are not significantly damaged by the absence of two riders averaging 20.5 between them? Classic stuff! Firstly your interpretation of the BSPA ruling - after 7 pages you bring us back to the same point where we started, no further forward - The BSPA "sifted the evidence, and reached a conclusion? So that presumably means a bit of paper that does not exist and a start time that turns out was never offered and could not be achieved anyway - unless of course you know otherwise which nobody from Dudley can turn up. Maybe what as fans we have come to expect from the BSPA. Secondly which part of Phil's post goes anywhere near mentioning winning a meeting? Bit like the "evidence" you allude to it doesn't exist. Support your younger riders - as well as your Elite rider - as next year they could well be the backbone of your side. Take a chill pill. Dudley will deservedly be Top 4 as will Mildenhall, if you are worried that you may end up facing Malcolm C Vasey's revolving Potters then maybe you have no faith in your team which seems a bit odd. Halifax if the stadium cannot be ready then it is a non-starter, you have seen meetings at Mildenhall where the track has not been ready ( not with the current promotion ) and it has not been pretty - this promotion has set very high standards and has a professional approach across the board. I Personally don't believe that the result of what is potentially a dead rubber would sway them to affect the start time or deliberately cut out paying customers but there you go that's my opinion. Kev Edited August 14, 2012 by norwichkev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Connor dywer in for perry. Good luck mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Classic stuff! Firstly your interpretation of the BSPA ruling - after 7 pages you bring us back to the same point where we started, no further forward - The BSPA "sifted the evidence, and reached a conclusion? So that presumably means a bit of paper that does not exist and a start time that turns out was never offered and could not be achieved anyway - unless of course you know otherwise which nobody from Dudley can turn up. Maybe what as fans we have come to expect from the BSPA. Secondly which part of Phil's post goes anywhere near mentioning winning a meeting? Bit like the "evidence" you allude to it doesn't exist. Support your younger riders - as well as your Elite rider - as next year they could well be the backbone of your side. Take a chill pill. Dudley will deservedly be Top 4 as will Mildenhall, if you are worried that you may end up facing Malcolm C Vasey's revolving Potters then maybe you have no faith in your team which seems a bit odd. Halifax if the stadium cannot be ready then it is a non-starter, you have seen meetings at Mildenhall where the track has not been ready ( not with the current promotion ) and it has not been pretty - this promotion has set very high standards and has a professional approach across the board. I Personally don't believe that the result of what is potentially a dead rubber would sway them to affect the start time or deliberately cut out paying customers but there you go that's my opinion. Kev Thanks for blurring the issue. Simple question: Why did the BSPA rule the way it did in the teeth of Mildenhall saying that 3pm was never an option? Two: The upshot is that Dudley will be without two of their best riders; isn't trying to win the match largely (though not solely) the point of competitive sport? Three: Where have I indicated a lack of support for Dudley's younger riders? Four: 'Take a chill pill.' What's that about? I wouldn't regard my post as argumentative though would, of course, willingly accept that interpretation if honestly offered by others. Five: To borrow your own words, which part of my post goes anywhere near mentioning Stoke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Halifax if the stadium cannot be ready then it is a non-starter, you have seen meetings at Mildenhall where the track has not been ready ( not with the current promotion ) and it has not been pretty - this promotion has set very high standards and has a professional approach across the board. I Personally don't believe that the result of what is potentially a dead rubber would sway them to affect the start time or deliberately cut out paying customers but there you go that's my opinion. Kev The only thing is if the promotion can do it for the Stoke match (advertised to start at 3pm) why can't they do it for the Dudley one ? What circumstances are there that would make the difference ? Personally, and based upon considerable experience, I'd say there's no reason at all why you can't get the stadium ready for 3pm. The fact that Mildenhall are not willing to do so on this occasion when they have done so before simply adds credence to the Dudley fans suggestion that the Mildenhall promotion are running scared of them and even that there was an agreement to run at the earlier time that has been reneged upon. I am convinced this issue isn't just about Dudley wanting what suits them best - its about Mildenhall doing exactly the same thing, with speedway and its fans, as always, being the losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 The only thing is if the promotion can do it for the Stoke match (advertised to start at 3pm) why can't they do it for the Dudley one ? What circumstances are there that would make the difference ? Personally, and based upon considerable experience, I'd say there's no reason at all why you can't get the stadium ready for 3pm. The fact that Mildenhall are not willing to do so on this occasion when they have done so before simply adds credence to the Dudley fans suggestion that the Mildenhall promotion are running scared of them and even that there was an agreement to run at the earlier time that has been reneged upon. I am convinced this issue isn't just about Dudley wanting what suits them best - its about Mildenhall doing exactly the same thing, with speedway and its fans, as always, being the losers. No idea m8, my posts are my view only. Credence to Dudley with no apparent evidence to back it up? you are easily pleased do you know that the word gullible is not in the Collins English disctionary! Perhaps the promotion learned a lesson on preperation time from that? The Stoke match eventually started around 4.45 although TBF there was rain just prior to 3 o'clock not sure what caused the lengthy delay. Crowd looked well down too, again not sure what effect that would have had - with no disrespect to Dudley Rhidassa made a very good point for the floating Mildenhall area supporters about regular starts, you have to keep the locals happy. As it has been established a third party advertised an earlier start time, so doesn't appear that Mildenhall have reneged upon anything. I seem to recall Mildenhall moving a start date last year so Stoke? ( or Scunny ) could track their best riders, so doesn't really back up your other point. With my Mildenhall hat on the preferred option but with so many rain offs and the squeeze on dates I suspect would be impossible. Garrity and Irving guesting should give a fairly well matched meeting ( Perry not being there is a non Speedway issue ) so I expect a fairly close meeting. Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Well matched meeting. Take a look at the team again then you will think different, heathens r missing our top 3 with a 3 pointer replacing one off them. Its far from evenly matched. We will take it on chin now and get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Well matched meeting. Take a look at the team again then you will think different, heathens r missing our top 3 with a 3 pointer replacing one off them. Its far from evenly matched. We will take it on chin now and get on with it. Don't forget that Perry would not have been there in any event, regardless of start time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yeh i know which is fair enuff but with morris n roynon wud be evenly matched but people sayin this match is evenly matched without our top 3 are just crazy or plain stupid. Speedway is the loser here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmuffe Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yeh i know which is fair enuff but with morris n roynon wud be evenly matched but people sayin this match is evenly matched without our top 3 are just crazy or plain stupid. Speedway is the loser here. or even Dudley ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yes dudley and speedway but if thats the only way we will lose missing our top 3 then u have your moment. Surely u dont think its much of an acheivement. Speedway is the loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 No idea m8, my posts are my view only. Credence to Dudley with no apparent evidence to back it up? you are easily pleased do you know that the word gullible is not in the Collins English disctionary! Perhaps the promotion learned a lesson on preperation time from that? The Stoke match eventually started around 4.45 although TBF there was rain just prior to 3 o'clock not sure what caused the lengthy delay. Crowd looked well down too, again not sure what effect that would have had - with no disrespect to Dudley Rhidassa made a very good point for the floating Mildenhall area supporters about regular starts, you have to keep the locals happy. As it has been established a third party advertised an earlier start time, so doesn't appear that Mildenhall have reneged upon anything. I seem to recall Mildenhall moving a start date last year so Stoke? ( or Scunny ) could track their best riders, so doesn't really back up your other point. With my Mildenhall hat on the preferred option but with so many rain offs and the squeeze on dates I suspect would be impossible. Garrity and Irving guesting should give a fairly well matched meeting ( Perry not being there is a non Speedway issue ) so I expect a fairly close meeting. Kev As someone trying to be objective here, one of the clubs clearly isn't telling the truth (or there has been a major misunderstanding). Dudley say there was an agreement to move the fixture forwards, Mildenhall say there wasn't. I am not sure if it is Dudley fans or Mildenhall fans being gullible here, as both seem to swallowing whole what their respective promotions are saying. What I do know is that the 3pm start time suits everyone except Mildenhall (perhaps the Stoke gate was down because everyone thought the match would be off due to the weather).In addition, I have no doubt (and I have helped prepare Mildenhall Stadium for racing on more occasions than any of the current promotion) that the meeting could be held at that time. With the exception of yourself and taking into account the comments on facebook, the silence of Mildenhall fans on those two points is nothing less than deafening. My real issue is that the decision not to have 3pm is one promotion almost certainly putting its own needs above those of speedway and its fans in general. Mildenhall certainly aren't alone in that, but it is that kind of selfishness that creates many of the problems and difficulties that the sport has. I can help but wonder what time the match would start if Heeps was fit and if it was Leicester v Ipswich............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 And STILL nobody can answer my earlier question.if the stadium is not available until 4.30, why do Mildenhall wait until AFTER the BSPA ruled it should start at 3.00 before they make the point? If you know the answer, please tell me, but don't bother answering with a "non-answer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 And STILL nobody can answer my earlier question.if the stadium is not available until 4.30, why do Mildenhall wait until AFTER the BSPA ruled it should start at 3.00 before they make the point? If you know the answer, please tell me, but don't bother answering with a "non-answer" Since when has the BSPA set the start times at any track?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Er, firstly they DID. decide and rule that it should start at 3.00, and secondly, that must bethe 60th non-answer I've seen to this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Er, firstly they DID. decide and rule that it should start at 3.00, and secondly, that must bethe 60th non-answer I've seen to this question. Interesting,i didnt realise the BSPA had that kind of power to be honest, where does it say they did this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 http://www.dudleyheathens.co/news.php?extend.615 To be honest, and I say this with all respect, I am not surprised that you didn't understand our frustrations if you were unaware of this. Perhaps now, you can understand a little more why we are agitated. Anyway, let's hope we have a good match with some great racing, and all riders staying safe. By the way, looking forward to seeing one of my favourite GB youngsters Joe Jacobs. Top bloke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmuffe Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yes dudley and speedway but if thats the only way we will lose missing our top 3 then u have your moment. Surely u dont think its much of an acheivement. Speedway is the loser. Surprise surprise there is a liar in speedway .......................Not sure on what i have read who i would blame cos i really dont know. The point i dont grasp--- your top 3 are missing Roynon Morris two of them yes but isnt the other rider a reserve(god knows how) and what ever time you ride it i believe he would be missing...wouldn't he?. Now Mildenhall have 2 of their top 3 missing as well and have also replaced a high scoring injured reserve with their best AJL rider so its hardly a first team you are facing i also think though i stand to be corrected Dudleys No1 or guest can take a r/r which isn't the case with Heeps replacement. Not sure its just you that are affected here or thats its impossible for you to win nor do i care. The thing is while people are arguing here about who has had the biggest lump of poo dropped on them from the greatest height the person who caused this almighty shambles is getting away with it and we the speedway fans disunited just wait till the fan is brought out again ..........and we all know it will!!!!!!!!!!!! No i dont support the "Country sorry Fen Pussies" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 So I take it, after 2 days of constantly asking, that nobody has the answer to my question. That's interesting. Not surprising but interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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