JT Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Entire season? averaged under 7.60 in the EL and did not qualify through the qualifier on the pressure night why should he get a card why have a qualifier.? Then again, at least he actually made the qualifier.... JT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Entire season? averaged under 7.60 in the EL and did not qualify through the qualifier on the pressure night why should he get a card why have a qualifier.? you know there IS a world outside GB. MJJ has a slightly lower average then Tai in the EL so what? I would be surprised if it wasn't like that since Tai have a much higher experience from the Elite league tracks compared to MJJ, especilly when you compare home tracks. However MJJ have better averages in Sweden and Poland. MJJ is within the top in Sweden when it comes to averages. Tai is only 28th. MJJ is 22nd in Poland, Tai is 33rd. Edited October 8, 2012 by Ghostwalker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) I am not setting a case for Woffinden,he shouldn't get one either and if it is close MJJ might get one.Not in front of AJ and Hampel though but my point is why have a qualifier? Edited October 8, 2012 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Nobody has mentioned him and I'm no fan, but I'd be willing to bet Kenneth Bjerre would be first on the list if he was British. When you consider he's never needed a Wildcard in the past, has won a GP, has finished 8th, 7th, 7th, and until this year was deemed 'one for the future', it just goes to show how important a riders place of birth is when it comes to wild card picks.. JT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 it just goes to show how important a riders place of birth is when it comes to wild card picks.. Yep, and why the GP should not be allowed to consider selections based on commercial interests, but on sporting interests, and the top 15 in the World, regardless of nationality. Out of interest, who actually selects the wildcards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Leaving aside for a second the pros and cons of Woffinden getting a wildcard pick, looking at some of the comments on here it's no wonder as a nation we're so rubbish! Not liking Woffinden (or Barker or any other Brit for that matter) is one thing but some of the venom on here means there isn't much more damage that needs inflicting on GB by other nations after we've finished with our own. And the fact that some of you are still spouting this Aussie nonsense about Woffinden just shows how small minded some of you are. Spot On, Vic! What's wrong with getting behind your riders and cheering them on, as the vast majority of British Speedway Fans seem to be able to do. It's only a miniscule minority of Forum Members who seem to think it's clever to bag their own; sadly it's a very vociferous minority. Personally I'd like to see the top four Aussies in the GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undercover Elephant Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Spot On, Vic! What's wrong with getting behind your riders and cheering them on, as the vast majority of British Speedway Fans seem to be able to do. It's only a miniscule minority of Forum Members who seem to think it's clever to bag their own; sadly it's a very vociferous minority. Personally I'd like to see the top four Aussies in the GPs. Exactly right. Why the minority of Brits on here bag one of there own is beyond me. The Harris criticism was justified to the effect that he's a good rider, just not at GP level and deserves time on the bench next season. Should he wish to prove himself again, then he'd enter the qualifiers, and good luck to him if he does. I'm a Brit and I've not seen fans over here in Aus bashing their own, unless some obscure forum does the same, in which I care not to read! My personal choices would be Darcy Ward top of the list, then Hampel, Tai and for his GP win in Denmark I'd go with MJJ for his maiden win this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadmau5 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) PLAN is for the announcement to be next week. Your 2013 wildcards are (but not officially confirmed): WARD, HAMPEL, WOFFINDEN and VACULIK... I expect the organisers will use the following reasons for their inclusion: WARD - Invited him last year but said he wasn't ready. Has improved in 2012 so a natural choice. HAMPEL - Certainly a World-class rider whose 2012 campaign was ruined by injury. VACULIK - A suprising but capable rider who impressed in 2012 and clearly proved they could mix it at the top level. WOFFINDEN - Second time round, matured as a rider and person, has improved on averages etc... I don't expect everybody to accept the above, but, it's come from a very reliable source and of course, I work at the SGPs so pick-up on a lot of 'talk'... Edited October 9, 2012 by deadmau5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) Exactly right. Why the minority of Brits on here bag one of there own is beyond me. It's not 'bagging', it's stating the obvious. I would dearly love to see a competetive British rider in the GP's, but I, like many others, am frustrated at seeing average Brits, undeserving of a place on the world stage, fighting for the odd point. I'd far rather we have a season out, give our riders and controlling body a reality check, then hopefully see them buck up their ideas in the next 12 months and actually qualify. Look at Niels Kritstian Iversen's transformation in the past year, that could be Harris, Woffinden or even Nicholls if they reassessed their approach to the sport. My personal choices would be Darcy Ward top of the list, then Hampel, Tai and for his GP win in Denmark I'd go with MJJ for his maiden win this season. No Vaculik? A rider who won his debut GP and has scored more points in 6 rounds, than Harris did in 12? If Woffinden gets a pick ahead of him, then BSI really are a bunch of comedians... JT. Edited October 9, 2012 by JT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 3 months ago i said that the 4 would be Hampel , Ward , Vaculik , and Tai and nothing would change my mind now. as i also said THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A BRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it looks like a very strong series next year with the deadwood has beens of Bjarne, Hans and Harris going and also an out of depth Ljung. Next year there are 14 riders all capable of winning a gp round....and Woffinden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) Leaving aside for a second the pros and cons of Woffinden getting a wildcard pick, looking at some of the comments on here it's no wonder as a nation we're so rubbish! Not liking Woffinden (or Barker or any other Brit for that matter) is one thing but some of the venom on here means there isn't much more damage that needs inflicting on GB by other nations after we've finished with our own. And the fact that some of you are still spouting this Aussie nonsense about Woffinden just shows how small minded some of you are. Vic,i like Harris, NIcholls, Auty, Cook, Barker,Kennett, Worrall,Woffinden, nothing would be greater if a few of them got on hope so Cook i have a feeling has a chance not a bad gater. Edited October 9, 2012 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 IMG have always been between a rock & a hard place over this ..... & despite Crumpy's retirement making it easier for them MJJ & Vaculik failing to qualify undid that if MJJ is to be left out, then I kind of understand their reasoning as he is very young and theoretically it won't hurt him to sit out for another year............................... however, as a few always maintain on here, it should be the riders in form who are included..... not riders who were in form 18 months previously......... Historically IMG are all about precedents.... and one has just been set here for the modern GP era if MJJ is to be left out....... you arent safe if you won a GP during the season This year more than any other I think we can see the gap between the Brits and the world's best....... I wish Tai all the best and hope that he learns from Scott, & Bomber's failings ...... but quite simply MJJ should be there instead 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 DON'T forget that the choice of wild cards (or nominated riders as they should be known) is made by the FIM in consultation with BSI/IMG and the opinions of GP Race Director Tony Olsson and FIM Speedway Director of Sport Ole Olsen will carry considerable weight. My own view for it is worth (not a lot!) is that Vaculik has a much stronger case than Michael Jepsen Jensen but we will know soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) DON'T forget that the choice of wild cards (or nominated riders as they should be known) is made by the FIM in consultation with BSI/IMG and the opinions of GP Race Director Tony Olsson and FIM Speedway Director of Sport Ole Olsen will carry considerable weight. My own view for it is worth (not a lot!) is that Vaculik has a much stronger case than Michael Jepsen Jensen but we will know soon enough. doesnt history indicate that IMG carry more weight than the FIM over wild cards Philip?...... otherwise i'm sure we wouldnt be talking about Tai at this moment in time (or bomber/scott/tai in previous years) isnt it actually the case that the FIM make suggestions that are passed to IMG? I'm vaguely remembering many seasons where we have heard Zagar or similar have been proposed by the FIM but IMG have gone their own way............. the wild cards are usually pretty obvious and easy to predict ....but only if you take into account what corporate IMG want.... and not what world governing body FIM want Edited October 9, 2012 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) If Woffinden is selected I would hope it is for his ability, not because he wears a Team GB race jacket. I suspect it is for the latter reason though, because on ability I don't think he is consistent enough for GP standard. Edited October 9, 2012 by TheReturn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 If Woffinden is given a charity place then I'm afraid the GP series will have lost all integrity with me. We have a real chance to have the best 15 riders in the World in next years series I doubt "Woffy Woffy Woffy" would get in the top 26. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 SOME would argue that it helps to show other British riders what they can and should aspire to. Aspire to? Do you know what it means? to be chosen because you are a certain nationality is not an aspiration 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 If Woffinden is given a charity place then I'm afraid the GP series will have lost all integrity with me. We have a real chance to have the best 15 riders in the World in next years series I doubt "Woffy Woffy Woffy" would get in the top 26. You are right, i was a supporter of the old one off final but year after year certainly did not have all of the best riders in the final.Now they have a chance of all of them being in it, and there are about 6 others knocking on the door.With the young guns i have been totally wrong felt when the old guard fell away the quality would be thin.Far from it and i am chuffed i was wrong with Holder, Ward,Janowski,Smarzlik, Dudek, x 2 Pawlicki, X2 Jensen the future is bright pity the EL is going t...s up.! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I THINK there is a reasonable chance that I know what aspire means. I might just as well ask whether you can read. So, let me try again... There are some people who take the view that having a British rider in the SGP series might help to encourage British kids, some of whom might not even have thought about speedway as a career, to ASPIRE to taking their place on the World stage, racing at venues like the Millennium in Cardiff, Parken in Copenhagen and Torun. It is a point of view but perhaps pandorum you are one of those who cannot and will not respect opinions that are not entirely in tune with your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Is there really that much difference between Jensen and Woffinden? Let's face it, we've got the best 14 riders in the world in the gp next year, (assuming Hampel, Ward and Vaculik are in.) Could be the best gp year ever whoever they pick. BRING IT ON!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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