SCB Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 And Ben "look at me" Barker IS liked by the Brits, now I KNOW not to take you seriously At least Ben is British! Tai is happy to be an Aussie when it suits. If we're having a Brit that is liked and might score a point or two in a GPs then were stuffed! There isn't one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Are you really telling me that the Brits will only attend a GP if we have a Brit to cheer to a possible semi-final?! HaHa! That being the case why wasn't Cardiff empty by the time we got to the final as there were no Brits in the last 3 races! Woffinden is no more likely to get me there than MJJ, Vaculik or Ward (not including Hampel as I find him boring - BUT he has to be in the GP's IMO). MJJ, Vaculik, Ward and Hampel for me. It's also interesting that the majority of Brits seem to want that 4, very few mentioned of Woffinden. TBH, I'd prefer Barker be there than Woffinden. As I see it, Woffinden is not all that liked by the Brits so having him in to please the Brits would be bloody stupid. Sums up my thoughts exactly. YOU are very good with stats SCB so I will take at face value your "majority of Brits" but presume you just mean on this forum. But how do we (you, I and the rest of the speedway fans in the UK) know what the majority of British fans actually want as far as representation in the SGP is concerned? Frankly, I don't think it has much if anything to do with bums on seats at Cardiff. I happened to agree with you that Woffinden probably wouldn't sell a shed load of tickets. But the bigger picture is British representation in the SGP and there are many who put a high value on that. Woffinden can be his own worst enemy (my advice would be shut down your twitter account and generally keep your mouth shut for a while) but he has genuine talent on a speedway bike and we (Britain) should be trying to help him develop into the rider he has the potential to be. I would offer him one more piece of advice: go and see Erik Gundersen for a week. Sharpen your skills and learn some humility and PR. Very good advice, Woffinden definately needs to keep his ego in check. But it's not just fans he's upsetting, it's other riders/team mates too. He's already indicated that he might not be bothered to ride in the EL next season, in effect turing his back on supposedly his home country, yet we're supposed to try and help him become the rider he could turn out to be. Sod that! I'm sure there's more deserving and more grateful young British riders out there who'd benefit more from assistance than Woffiden would. . Who that wildcard is doesnt matter but a Brit there should be. Why? If world finals were won on the 1 off meeting formula, we'd probably not of had a rider through the Inter-continental stage for the past 3 years. Should think ourselves lucky really that we're pretty much guaranteed a British rider as a wildcard at Cardiff, 'cos there's not a Brit who deserves to be in the series proper. And Ben "look at me" Barker IS iked by the Brits, now I KNOW not to take you seriously Shocking innit! But just goes to show how much Woffinden is disliked by many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Should cos a Brit deserves to be in the series proper. Thanks for editing my post and leaving a line that is then completey out of context!! See easy isnt it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Thanks for editing my post and leaving a line that is then completey out of context!! See easy isnt it!! Apologies, didn't realise it was out of context, I didn't edit it either as you have my post, just quoted your last scentence which read to me like a statement from you! Edited September 30, 2012 by Wackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Are you really telling me that the Brits will only attend a GP if we have a Brit to cheer to a possible semi-final?! HaHa! That being the case why wasn't Cardiff empty by the time we got to the final as there were no Brits in the last 3 races! Woffinden is no more likely to get me there than MJJ, Vaculik or Ward (not including Hampel as I find him boring - BUT he has to be in the GP's IMO). MJJ, Vaculik, Ward and Hampel for me. It's also interesting that the majority of Brits seem to want that 4, very few mentioned of Woffinden. TBH, I'd prefer Barker be there than Woffinden. As I see it, Woffinden is not all that liked by the Brits so having him in to please the Brits would be bloody stupid. I think that the only 'Brits' that will be taken into consideration will be the paymasters at Sky. As long as they desire a Brit in the GP there will be one, 2013 included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 This forum is not even a 10th of the British Speedway paying support, it is the most outspoken though. There should be a Brit in the GP, as there should be a Pole a Swede or a Dane. I couldn't give 2 hoots who the Danish wonderkind beat in Denmark. British Speedway is owed by the GP's, if only for providing a starting place for all of these damned Aussies. Yes some of them are very very good, but without the haven of an English speaking nation with a penchant for selecting foreign riders over their own home grown talent, where would they be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 To be in the GP's, you should be the best, the 15 best riders in the world, it shouldnt matter if your from the UK, Azerbaijan or the Columbia, therefore there should be no riders from the UK in the GP's, as there not good enough. I bet most people, would rather see the 15 best ride against eachother, than sacrificing a rider for a pity brit vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I think that the only 'Brits' that will be taken into consideration will be the paymasters at Sky. As long as they desire a Brit in the GP there will be one, 2013 included. I don't think Sky have as much clout with IMG re the GP series as you give them credit for. They only buy the rights to broadcast the GP's just as the broadcasters in Poland, Sweden Denmark etc. do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) Why any British fan would sooner have MJJ in the GP over Woffinden amazes me! MJJ is talented yes, but Woffinden is only what? 22. He is a great talent too and one who with the right backing could qualify for the top 8 next year in the GPs, it would be tough but he is capable. Hampel, Ward, etc I dont care if they get in or not - Woffinden is the only one I want in, as no GB rider in the GPs would hugely detract from the event for me. I hope Sky are putting pressure on IMG and that it does sway them. I think Iversen getting in through the challenge makes it more likely that Woffinden will get in. Edited October 1, 2012 by RedcarRacer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Why any British fan would sooner have MJJ in the GP over Woffinden amazes me! MJJ is talented yes, but Woffinden is only what? 22. And MJJ is only what? 20. The point being? As a British fan I have to say that all I get out of seeing Bomber in the GPs is to cringe with embarrassment that he is our best. It seems to me it would be better for GB to have at least a year off and put in place a development plan for our young riders rather than pretend they can mix it with the world's elite, which they quite clearly can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I don't think Sky have as much clout with IMG re the GP series as you give them credit for. They only buy the rights to broadcast the GP's just as the broadcasters in Poland, Sweden Denmark etc. do. I think that's a fair point. However, Britain is one of the heartland markets for televised speedway and the Cardiff GP is one of the sport's major showpiece events. So, politically and financially, I would be very surprised if there is no British representation. If that's the case, Woffinden clearly has as good a claim as any other British rider (he's the highest averaging EL Brit by very nearly a point) should he want to pursue a GP place next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Why any British fan would sooner have MJJ in the GP over Woffinden amazes me! MJJ is talented yes, but Woffinden is only what? 22. He is a great talent too and one who with the right backing could qualify for the top 8 next year in the GPs, it would be tough but he is capable. Hampel, Ward, etc I dont care if they get in or not - Woffinden is the only one I want in, as no GB rider in the GPs would hugely detract from the event for me. I hope Sky are putting pressure on IMG and that it does sway them. I think Iversen getting in through the challenge makes it more likely that Woffinden will get in. Woffinden capable of a top 8 finish in the 2013 GP series Oh, that's brightened my monday afternoon. And why would British fans prefer to see MJJ in the GP's rather than Woffinden? Well, Woffinden doesn't exactly strike many as being red white & blue through & through, and also maybe because MJJ doesn't come across as being a complete knob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 If Woffinden does get a picjk i think he will hold his own in the gp's. He is talented and will only get better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Hold his own what though? Do people honestly think he's capable of a top 8 finish next season if he's given the sympathy Brit wild card? Who'd he better over the series to achieve that - Holder, Hancock, Pedersen, Sayfutdinov, Ward, Gollob, Hampel, Iversen, Jonsson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 This forum is not even a 10th of the British Speedway paying support, it is the most outspoken though. There should be a Brit in the GP, as there should be a Pole a Swede or a Dane. I couldn't give 2 hoots who the Danish wonderkind beat in Denmark. British Speedway is owed by the GP's, if only for providing a starting place for all of these damned Aussies. Yes some of them are very very good, but without the haven of an English speaking nation with a penchant for selecting foreign riders over their own home grown talent, where would they be? i am very pro england. however we have no rider good enough to be in the gp. If Woffinden does get a picjk i think he will hold his own in the gp's. He is talented and will only get better. doudt he will. big head, big mouth, but not a big talent. was but super star syndrone set in to early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 More liked than Woffinden, though that says more about Woffinden than Barker. That's like saying a kick in the right b0llock is preferable to a kick in the left one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Frankly, I don't think it has much if anything to do with bums on seats at Cardiff. No, but everything to do with television viewership. Whilst Sky remain one of the biggest (the biggest?) payers for television rights, then there's going to be a Brit in the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 With Woffinden's attitude recently I believe it's a given that if he gets the pick & makes top 8 in 2013 he will revert to riding for Australia in the 2014 World Cup and beyond. Without any doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Easy solution as to whether MJJ or Woffinden (or another Brit in the SGP) gets a 2013 SGP pick. You could simply get rid of the Wild Card and then you could fit in MJJ and a Brit into the 2013 SGP if you wanted too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadmau5 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Bring on Bunyan in NZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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