Sgp 2013 Riders

[oldace]

I think it's apparent that something went on, and it was a matter as to the degree in which it was considered consensual or not.

 

The "what went on" was never in doubt. The case was, as you say, was it consensual or not. The jury decided it was and so however unpleasant the act Darcy is not guilty of any crime.

Edited September 5, 2012 by oldace

[Gavan]

Personally cant stand Darcy Ward as a person, very arrogant and up himself and his head is to big at the moment. BUT......

 

1. He was found NOT GUILTY leave it at that

 

2. He is without doubt the most exciting rider in the world who needs gp's now and the gp's need him. I for one want the best riders in there.

 

3. Niamh give it up you are making a fool of yourself

[RedcarRacer]

Lets get back to the thread here - the GP challenge is a huge meeting and BSI will be very nervous. They will want Vaculik to qualify for sure as otherwise he will take a wild card.

 

Hampel could still get into an automatic spot too but a big ask - and he will defo get a pick.

 

Personally I think Woffinden is a nailed on selection, sorry but the GP series DOES need a British rider, no matter what people think and I think Woffinden will do okay and he is worthy of being given a couple of years.

 

Same goes for Ward, I think he is nailed on to get a wild card - end of the day is a wonderful rider and the GP series will be better with him in, end of.

 

We cant forget Bjerre either, he has big sponsorship deals - but if Iversen and MJJ come through the Challenge then the chances of another Danish wild card are remote.

 

I think Pavlic will be a huge danger at the challenge, and think he could easily take one of the spots at his home track. Think the way KK is riding too, then he could easily be in the reckoning.

 

So I think Hampel, Ward and Woffinden already have three of the wild cards - last one will depend on the outcome of the challenge...although if AJ ( I think he will) doesnt auto qualify then I think he will get the last pick.

Edited September 6, 2012 by RedcarRacer

[comebackkings]

Personally cant stand Darcy Ward as a person, very arrogant and up himself and his head is to big at the moment. BUT......

 

1. He was found NOT GUILTY leave it at that

 

2. He is without doubt the most exciting rider in the world who needs gp's now and the gp's need him. I for one want the best riders in there.

 

3. Niamh give it up you are making a fool of yourself

 

OK, Its an emotive subject, but we have been prevented from discussing Ward + others legal issues very strongly on here. Which is why whenever Wards name is mentioned there is always going to be the shadow of the unmentionable court case present.

I have no idea what went on, but the few posts on here have enlightened me a little, but someone is alowed to have strong opinions on the goings on without being an idiot!

Ward on the track is a fantastic talent, Ward off the track needs to do a lot of growing up, but he is only 20 and can do so.

 

For all of you saying forget what happened because he was found Not Guilty, that just means that the CPS couldn't prove what happened broke the law, not that it didn't happen. There is a young lady out there that wishes she could forget it.

[waiheke1]

_{Hampel and Ward are nailed to be offerred the first two wildcards. Tai and Vaculik are almost certain to get the other two. The only way I can see tis changing is if:}

 

_{1. Lindback makes the top 8. If so, whoever drops out of the current top8 would likely get a wildcard next year at the expense of Tai/Vaculik (probably the latter) - unless it was Fast freddie in which case he may miss out.}

_{2. If Vaculik qualifies via the Challenge. In that instance I think the last wildcard would be likely to go to (in order, assuming they don't qualify through the challenge): NKI, Lindback, MJJ, G Laguta. Personally, I'd have G Laguta ehind NKI as the next best rider outside the GP, but the above would be my guess.}

 

_{In terms of the GP Challenge: I'd like to see NKI, Vaculik and either Lindback/MJJ qualify. Mr prediction though would be NKI, Pavlic and Lindback.}

 

_{On the Ward issue - discussion here is about who should be in nxt year's GP, which should only include discussion on speedway issues. I remember suggesting that Phil Rising was unwise posting shortly after the trial a thread on how great Darcy is - I thought it inappropriately timed - but similarly, I think people re-raising the issue on this thread are out of line. No one is defending Darcy's actions, and I certainly wouldn't suggest that just bcause he was found not guilty that it makes eveything ok - but IMHO this is not the place to express those opinions.}

[SCB]

If Hampel comes back on fire he won't need a wildcard.

[Ghostwalker]

If Hampel comes back on fire he won't need a wildcard.

 

Well he is 30p behind with 3 GPs remaining. How do you suppose he will manage that?

[waiheke1]

Hampel qualifying is certainly possible, though I'd say itshighly improbable. I can't see any reason for him to really try to bust a gut in the last few meetngs (he can't make top 3 and must know he will be given a spot next year if he doesn't make the top 8) - so I'd guess he'll ease his way back into racing in preparation for next year.

If he does make it, you can only see it being at the expense of AJ dropping out of the top8, and if that was the case I would expect AJ to be given a wildcard for next year.

Edited September 6, 2012 by waihekeaces1

[T.N.T.]

SGPC

16 challenge finalists are .....

 

Lindback - Ljung - Walasek - Miedzinski - Kasprzak - Andersen - NKI - MJJ - Madsen - Smolinski - Zagar - Watt - Batchelor - A Dryml - Vaculik - Pavlic

 

 

 

With the top 8 not that clear with Lindbck just 2 points behind AJ, it would help the pick of nominations if Antonio stayed ninth and qualified in the GP Challange along with Vaculik and MJJ as those look to be three that stand a good chance of getting picked

 

That would leave four wild cards and Jarek Hampel and Darcy Ward are all but assured of getting nominated. A token Brit would then be selected and Tai Woffinden is the only real choice. That would leave just one space whch would be used on Lindback/MJJ/Vaculik if they fail to qualify ..... otherwise it would go to Kasprzak ?

Edited September 7, 2012 by T.N.T.

[ballinger]

Regarding BSIs 4 picks for the series - is it cast in stone that it has to be 4 permanent picks ? Or maybe there could be 3 permanent picks and the fourth rider could be a second wIld card?

[Dave_minall]

Regarding BSIs 4 picks for the series - is it cast in stone that it has to be 4 permanent picks ? Or maybe there could be 3 permanent picks and the fourth rider could be a second wIld card?

 

I used to enjoy having 2 wild cards per GP. I'd like to see that come back.

[salty]

Personally I think Woffinden is a nailed on selection, sorry but the GP series DOES need a British rider, no matter what people think and I think Woffinden will do okay and he is worthy of being given a couple of years.

Don't think any rider should be given a "couple of years". If I remember there was talk last time Tai was in the series that he needed a second year and whilst I can see the rationale behind that I just think it gives a rider too much of a free ride. Tai was quite vocal earlier in the season saying he needed to know as soon as possible if he was going to get a pick so that he can get the sponsorships in place. Personally, I don't think he has really done enough to get a spot in the World's top 15, but his status as a Brit coupled with the poor year Bomber has had means he will probably get a slot.

[Dave Jones]

If Hampel comes back on fire he won't need a wildcard.

 

Much more likely an extinguisher.?

[salty]

Linback's continued good form coupled with AJ's crash have muddied the waters somewhat for next year. Given his current form it looks likely Antonio will finish in the top 8 and AJ might be relying on a pick.

If Lindback also qualifies at Gorican, does his place to go to the 4th in the GP challenge or 9th overall - anyone know?

[pandorum]

Linback's continued good form coupled with AJ's crash have muddied the waters somewhat for next year. Given his current form it looks likely Antonio will finish in the top 8 and AJ might be relying on a pick.

This practically makes it impossible to pick a Brit as Jarek, AJ and Vaculik are absolute bankers and also MJJ and Darcy must be included.

So 5 names for 4 picks.

Hopefully one of them will get through the challenge but also Greg Laguta should be strongly in the mix and lets not forget NKI who has been one of the best riders in the world this year and surely earned a pick.

To pick a Brit would be the stupidest thing the GP could do as none of ours are good enough and it would deny a chance to someone more deserving.

A pick for Harris would be a disgrace and Scotty has said he would like to try the challenge route. Wuffy will get there eventually as he is good enough to qualify.

[Ghostwalker]

I think the best thing that could happed is if NKI+Vaculik+MJJ qualifies in Gorican and Antonio finish in top 8 in GPs.

Then we would have three safe WIld Cards in Jarek, Darcy and Andreas which would leave one remaining spot.

Like Pandorum i think G.Laguta would be an interesting choice if he can get a VISA for all rounds.

Edited September 9, 2012 by Ghostwalker

[NeilWatson]

Linback's continued good form coupled with AJ's crash have muddied the waters somewhat for next year. Given his current form it looks likely Antonio will finish in the top 8 and AJ might be relying on a pick.

If Lindback also qualifies at Gorican, does his place to go to the 4th in the GP challenge or 9th overall - anyone know?

 

4th in the GP Challenge

[PHILIPRISING]

WOULDN'T bet my house on AJ getting a wild card if he finishes outside of the top eight, especially assuming two Swedes already in.

[JT]

WOULDN'T bet my house on AJ getting a wild card if he finishes outside of the top eight, especially assuming two Swedes already in.

 

Absolutely farcical given the charity the Brits, namely Nicholls and Harris, have had over the years.

 

You seem to have some insider knowledge PHILIPRISING. Can you put us out of our misery, and confirm whether or not BSI will gift another of our riders a full time place next season? After his latest abject display, not even the BSI spin machine could justify giving Harris another place, so are we to assume Woffinden is 'worth betting your house on' for a 2013 place?

 

Thus making the 2013 Wild Cards;

• Jarek Hampel
  
• Darcy Ward
  
• Martin Vaculik (Andreas Jonsson, if Vaculik qualifies by right)
  
• Tai Woffinden
  

JT.

[PHILIPRISING]

ACTUALLY I don't have any inside knowledge and so much depends of which riders get through the Challenge. Just guesswork along with everyone else but I just don't see AJ as a shoe-in if Lindgren and Lindback are already there.

 

Hampel is probably the only cert at this stage and rightly so. Great to have him back on Saturday, a top class rider, ultimate professional and a really nice guy. He's the only one I would bet my house on ...