speedy bill Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 i have posted on another topic about this and thought it would be more prominent in a posting of its own on sunday the national league pairs meeting was run at mildenhall it was presented well and run perfectly the only thing to spoil it was the lack of any cups or medals for the pairs who came second and third how miserable can the b s p a or who ever they are be the riders gave their all to make it a good enjoyable meeting and day i am a buxton supporter and went to see robert and charles to say how well they had done a look at their cups or medals and i was disgusted when they told me they got nothing what a disgrace the people who run speedway are to allow things like that to happen no wonder the sport is going down with the general public how can a second and third in any championship get nothing as a reward for their achievement only in speedway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 It has been like this for years. Second is just the first loser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 i have posted on another topic about this and thought it would be more prominent in a posting of its own on sunday the national league pairs meeting was run at mildenhall it was presented well and run perfectly the only thing to spoil it was the lack of any cups or medals for the pairs who came second and third how miserable can the b s p a or who ever they are be the riders gave their all to make it a good enjoyable meeting and day i am a buxton supporter and went to see robert and charles to say how well they had done a look at their cups or medals and i was disgusted when they told me they got nothing what a disgrace the people who run speedway are to allow things like that to happen no wonder the sport is going down with the general public how can a second and third in any championship get nothing as a reward for their achievement only in speedway did they get paid to ride ? i would assume they did . so in the end they were rewarded more than someone who comes second in MX or many other forms of sport , maybe if you think everyone should get some tangible token of the days events you would care to sponsor some medals or trophies . I would suggest you start saving now for next years event as you will most likely be looking at ,at least a 3 figure sum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 did they get paid to ride ? i would assume they did . so in the end they were rewarded more than someone who comes second in MX or many other forms of sport , maybe if you think everyone should get some tangible token of the days events you would care to sponsor some medals or trophies . I would suggest you start saving now for next years event as you will most likely be looking at ,at least a 3 figure sum Having had a look on the internet, you can get a cheap trophy for less than £5. With engraving, less than £10. For second and third, that's about £40 or just over three entrance fees at a meeting that probably had a four figure gate. I am with Bw double on this one. Not having a trophy for second and third is cheapskate penny pinching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 To say nothing of the lowest points money payable some of the riders admittadly they did not do well ,,got next to nothing after exspenses ,,one or two will have lost money.. In front of a huge crowd too, Even the top boys picked up a pitence compared to their premier meetings ..Could not believe it not even a cheap keepsake trophy for the 2nd and third .They really are a penny pinchin lot!.....But then look whos in charge of this league..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 To say nothing of the lowest points money payable some of the riders admittadly they did not do well ,,got next to nothing after exspenses ,,one or two will have lost money.. In front of a huge crowd too, Even the top boys picked up a pitence compared to their premier meetings ..Could not believe it not even a cheap keepsake trophy for the 2nd and third .They really are a penny pinchin lot!.....But then look whos in charge of this league..... well if trophies are so importtant , perhaps next year . they should give all the riders medal for coming and the top 3 finishers a trophy and no pay . I'm pretty sure Milldenahall would be happy with that , then the one decent payday a year could help to cover the losses of the rest of the season when riders are paid to race in virtually empty stadiums 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 well if trophies are so importtant , perhaps next year . they should give all the riders medal for coming and the top 3 finishers a trophy and no pay . I'm pretty sure Milldenahall would be happy with that , then the one decent payday a year could help to cover the losses of the rest of the season when riders are paid to race in virtually empty stadiums Since when has Mildenhall been empty under the present promotion ..You obviously have never been a competitor other wise you would know how much a trophy means to a lad for a sporting achievement.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 well if trophies are so importtant , perhaps next year . they should give all the riders medal for coming and the top 3 finishers a trophy and no pay . I'm pretty sure Milldenahall would be happy with that , then the one decent payday a year could help to cover the losses of the rest of the season when riders are paid to race in virtually empty stadiums Complete nonsense. As I have said, about £40 for four trophies, equivalent to three and a bit entrance fees or around 0.5% of the gate receipts. Given the attendances that they attract, I would be very surprised if Mildenhall are losing money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Since when has Mildenhall been empty under the present promotion ..You obviously have never been a competitor other wise you would know how much a trophy means to a lad for a sporting achievement.... That is correct. I have never been a competitor in any sport . but i do know and appreciate what a trophy means to anyone who wins one , more I would suggest than a few pounds . And so ,considering how speedway at all levels but especially at National league level is struggling to make ends meet ,any funding however small should be targeted towards where it is most valued , however if you and the other poster who I shall not name or acknowledge any further owing to their arrogance , feel that there is a genuine need and the cost is minute , why not buy some trophies and have them engraved and present them yourselves I'm sure the lads who were second and third will cherish them just as much regardless of the source , and for next years event you can supply all the trophies and medals and have them bought and ready so as to avoid dissapointment on the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 That is correct. I have never been a competitor in any sport . but i do know and appreciate what a trophy means to anyone who wins one , more I would suggest than a few pounds . And so ,considering how speedway at all levels but especially at National league level is struggling to make ends meet ,any funding however small should be targeted towards where it is most valued , however if you and the other poster who I shall not name or acknowledge any further owing to their arrogance , feel that there is a genuine need and the cost is minute , why not buy some trophies and have them engraved and present them yourselves I'm sure the lads who were second and third will cherish them just as much regardless of the source , and for next years event you can supply all the trophies and medals and have them bought and ready so as to avoid dissapointment on the day You really have not got a clue ..Judging by the picture on your post your more into limited intelligence type pop stars.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 For the cost of a medal/trophy for first, second and third, I doubt it will make a grand difference. Even if it did, there's a simple solution - when getting a meeting sponsor, get a sponsor for the trophies/medals too. I'm sure its possible, especially as the sponsor could then have their name on the medal/trophy too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 You really have not got a clue ..Judging by the picture on your post your more into limited intelligence type pop stars.. Why would that be exactly ? you seem to attach huge importance to the presenting of trophies , and so I have offered a solution , by your own admission the trophies would be of small cost ,so that should be no problem . unless you are intimating that it is only a small cost when it's someone else footing the bill and for all your protestation are unwilling to part with a small amount of your own cash to achieve the end you deem so important . For the cost of a medal/trophy for first, second and third, I doubt it will make a grand difference. Even if it did, there's a simple solution - when getting a meeting sponsor, get a sponsor for the trophies/medals too. I'm sure its possible, especially as the sponsor could then have their name on the medal/trophy too... That is what I have suggested in several posts and 2 ideal candidates for sponsorship are on this very thread. Waco and someone else have been protesting about the reluctance by the BSPA and MildenHall speedway to finance the trophies and I have suggested that they could be the sponsors but unfortunately their ideas about sponsorship only extend as far as other peoples money . Having said that I have a lovely drawing of a spider although it only has seven legs which I would be prepared to exchange with a trophy /medal manufacturer if they would accept that as payment of their invoice . a copy of my spider drawing can be viewed here http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html please enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) I sponsored the trophies for an individual meeting a couple of years ago with a perpetual cup and a trophy for the four finalists and that cost under £150 with all the engraving. If I remember rightly at the Premier Pairs at Somerset a few years ago the BSPA only supplied a cup for the winners and the late Ian Thomas was so incensed by this that he promised to buy the Workington riders (who I believe where runners up) a trophy out of his own pocket Edited July 23, 2012 by starshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 did they get paid to ride ? i would assume they did . so in the end they were rewarded more than someone who comes second in MX or many other forms of sport , maybe if you think everyone should get some tangible token of the days events you would care to sponsor some medals or trophies . I would suggest you start saving now for next years event as you will most likely be looking at ,at least a 3 figure sum What are you doing back? I thought that you were banned from the BSF for your previous comments. Your current ones are no better. The winners, second and third place riders should all get trophies or medals. I know that it has probably been like this for ages but that doesn't make it right and if the BSPA had announced beforehand that trophies were only being given for 1st place, then I am sure suitable arrangements would have been made by genuine supporters to redress that error. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave1 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Having attended this meeting yesterday i would say the crowd totalled nearly over a 1000. That would make the gate receipts in the region of £12,000. Seeing that the riders were paid the national league pay rate of £10 per point, that made total prize money of £1080. O.k the riders were also paid travelling money but if that totalled another £500 the B.S.P.A. came out with a tidy profit at the end of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 What are you doing back? I thought that you were banned from the BSF for your previous comments. Your current ones are no better. The winners, second and third place riders should all get trophies or medals. I know that it has probably been like this for ages but that doesn't make it right and if the BSPA had announced beforehand that trophies were only being given for 1st place, then I am sure suitable arrangements would have been made by genuine supporters to redress that error. I was banned for a few days .and I dont post on leicester threads anymore because of the idiots who kept posting rose tinted nonsense and turned threads which were supposed to be for open debate into some sort of sympathy vote for their pathetic victim culture postings , well having left it all for you and your ilk what did you do with it ? I'll tell you what nothing is what you did , having hounded me and anyone else who did'nt share your views off the threads it has been left to stagnate and after a few weeks of slapping each other on the back and agreeing all the time even those who wanted to only read "positive" Postings got bored with it and nobody bothers with the leicester threads at all . I'll leave this one for you as well . You. Waco , and that other idiot can decide what Mildenhall speedway and that BSPA choose to do with their money and then slap each other on the back until you all get bored and another debate which has been stifled to death Having attended this meeting yesterday i would say the crowd totalled nearly over a 1000. That would make the gate receipts in the region of £12,000. Seeing that the riders were paid the national league pay rate of £10 per point, that made total prize money of £1080. O.k the riders were also paid travelling money but if that totalled another £500 the B.S.P.A. came out with a tidy profit at the end of day. and of course the stadium rent / rates were free and the paramedics attended out of the goodness of their won hearts . the ref came along because he had nothing better to do with his time and the clerk of the course track staff and insurances were all donated by some benevolent sugar daddy who did not wish to be named 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 I was banned for a few days .and I dont post on leicester threads anymore because of the idiots who kept posting rose tinted nonsense and turned threads which were supposed to be for open debate into some sort of sympathy vote for their pathetic victim culture postings , well having left it all for you and your ilk what did you do with it ? I'll tell you what nothing is what you did , having hounded me and anyone else who did'nt share your views off the threads it has been left to stagnate and after a few weeks of slapping each other on the back and agreeing all the time even those who wanted to only read "positive" Postings got bored with it and nobody bothers with the leicester threads at all . I'll leave this one for you as well . You. Waco , and that other idiot can decide what Mildenhall speedway and that BSPA choose to do with their money and then slap each other on the back until you all get bored and another debate which has been stifled to death and of course the stadium rent / rates were free and the paramedics attended out of the goodness of their won hearts . the ref came along because he had nothing better to do with his time and the clerk of the course track staff and insurances were all donated by some benevolent sugar daddy who did not wish to be named Your stupid response has stifled any further response from me on this subject so it is now you that has stifled any further debate on this subject. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 and of course the stadium rent / rates were free and the paramedics attended out of the goodness of their won hearts . the ref came along because he had nothing better to do with his time and the clerk of the course track staff and insurances were all donated by some benevolent sugar daddy who did not wish to be named All of the staff at Mildenhall (with rare exceptions) are unpaid volunteers. Even allowing for the (in my view) extortionate rent that Mildenhall pay and the cost of ambulance cover, this was a very profitable meeting - certainly profitable enough to pay about £40 for four trophies. As GC has accurately pointed out, I am sure that a sponsor could have been arranged if the BSPA had made it clear that they would not be handing out rewards to the first three pairs. Whichever way you look at it, the decision not to give recognition to the riders who finished second and third is a pretty poor show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) It has been like this for years.. Don't make it right . Second is just the first loser. Wrong we have the so called greatest sporting specticle on earth taking over in the next 3 weeks where people strive to move up the medal ladder it's the nature of sport and measures progress and development. To say nothing of the lowest points money payable some of the riders admittadly they did not do well ,,got next to nothing after exspenses ,,one or two will have lost money.. In front of a huge crowd too, Even the top boys picked up a pitence compared to their premier meetings ..Could not believe it not even a cheap keepsake trophy for the 2nd and third .They really are a penny pinchin lot!.....But then look whos in charge of this league..... Well it maybe low points money in Rye House speak and this may come as a surprise to you but some riders are happy to ride for it and ride all season as they want to learn Give the lads a Trophy what harm could it do Edited July 24, 2012 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Your bloody joking they didnt even have trophies for the place getters.Was going to ask if anyone had a photo of the (trophy) presentation I did hear they didnt pay 4, 3 , 2 and there was no prize money given to the place getters not sure about the winners. We give trophies every week over here in the juniors. Tight isnt the word, no wonder riders pull out, how many will want to ride in the fours. By the time you buy a tyre your out of pocket for the privilidge of riding for your club. Junior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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