vog Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Didnt see any stoke fans there mate hehe. All green, white and red Didn't look hard enough then As for the meeting, Dudley must know they rode their luck, but Stoke had too many non performers. The whole point of this Stoke team is that the top 4 score a lot between them, Birks withdrawing with food poisoning, and Atkin being completely off the pace cost us dearly. Still, a fantastic meeting, and a great advert for NL speedway. Some of the races between Reade and Perry were fantastic. And, as Stoke found last season, topping the league means nothing if you don't win the play-offs...hope we see you there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Vog I really don't understand what you mean by "rode their luck". Is that your way of saying "well done Dudley for a solid all round team performance"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 if they didnt boo em they respected em lol never mentioned booing but that to me is part of the game. The Heathens regard themselves as the best in Speedway. Pity it,s only the Heathens that think that. Uset to enjoy visits from Glasgow,Newcastle and Elesmere Port;unfortuately the Dudley drone of self importance is warring on others.The sign of true supports of any sport is that they view the evert through sporting eyes and not see just their sides players/riders. Take yourself off to rugby and see for yourself. Most supporters in speedway? Probably but at 1500 it's still pitiful against most other sports. Good luck to Dudley for the rest of the season and hope wwe meet again in the playoffs and have just a good meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Oh dear.. I am a Dudley supporter through and through. If I see a good race between two riders then I will applaud them both. As will any Dudley supporter I know. But the thought of applauding every race winner from any opposing them is ridiculous. I support my team, not the opposition. You use the Example of rugby - try using the example of football (which by the way I do not support). How many supporters do you know that applaud when the opposition score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Vog I really don't understand what you mean by "rode their luck". Is that your way of saying "well done Dudley for a solid all round team performance"? Swings and roundabouts. I would have liked to have seen the meeting run with two full teams. As it was, both teams threw away points, but losing Birks after 1 race changed the course of the meeting. Yes, Dudley rode well, but tbh, once Birks withdrew I thought they should have won by a lot more. White-Williams falling and moaning in heat 8 cost you, then Worral falling in heat 13 cost you. Stoke were there for the taking, and Dudley will feel disappointed at not taking full advantage of the situation that they found themselves in. Stoke were a 2 man team, yet they still only just scraped a win. The luck I mean in general is Birks withdrawing, as without that, the scoreline would have been a lot different. (And would it have been different with Roynon? Possibly not. Worrall dropped one point in heat 1, and then fell in heat 13. Other than that he was unbeaten) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I tell you what, I don't know to anybody from Dudley, either fan or rider, that was disappointed after tonight. Yes Stoke are a top heavy side, and if one of them doesn't perform for whatever reason, that's the price you pay. With regard to the result possibly not being any different if Roynon had been there, possibly not. But I'm sure it would have if Roynon and Morris were. Disappointed? Not a bit of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Bostin win, prior to the meeting i would have been happy with a point, yes maybe we were lucky that Ashley Birks was unwell, but on balance i think The Heathens threw away more points <falling>when in scoring positions ie Dan Greenwood, Byron Bekker, JWW, Steve, and Tom e/f in his last ride against Ben , But as we all know, this is the way the Stoke team is set up, and covering for 1 of your Top four is nigh on impossible, except for Ben Reade, you need to gain as many points as you can, before Ben moves up. Having seen the meetings this season, i am now of the opinion we are slightly stronger than Stoke, who are relying on Ben Reade, and he is doing a fine job for you. I only heard some good natured booing, during the meeting, and applause for Ashley Birks on winning the Bronze Helmet. Thanks for Steve Worall on a splendid guest appearance, against his brothers Team, and well done to all the Heathens riders, for covering our two missing riders, and great support once again from the Fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I tell you what, I don't know to anybody from Dudley, either fan or rider, that was disappointed after tonight. Yes Stoke are a top heavy side, and if one of them doesn't perform for whatever reason, that's the price you pay. With regard to the result possibly not being any different if Roynon had been there, possibly not. But I'm sure it would have if Roynon and Morris were. Disappointed? Not a bit of it. If Morris and Roynon had been there? And Birks had made the end of the meeting? Morris' rides got 2',1',1',2...beaten by Lambert, Reade and Reade (Although the last one Perry would have won, barring the very late EF) Stoke's problem tonight was Atkin not looking at the races, and Birks withdrawing. However, if we meet again, and the meeting is half as good as that one, then I will once again be happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 You can carry on with ifs and buts for ever. Roynon wasn't there. Neither was Morris. Birks withdrew. We won and are delighted. Not disappointed in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Tongue in cheek a certain greedy Jan O wanted 4 points not 3 after Ash Birks was withdrawn lol Well done to the Heathens on maintaining their unbeaten league record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathhen1 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 We Dudley supporter might go on about our self importance and that we are best in league well at the moment we are please see table for that we are very important to ourselves and to other clubs as we double the takings at most away meetings we rode our luck? How you go on about two riders down so were we though Mr w did great for us we didn't have Adam and ash so the team haven't all ridden together before oh hold on what am I saying neither have stoke as they have never put the same team out twice this season while they muddle there way through the season chopping and changing there top heavy team with one good reserve till next week that is 1500 not good I'd like to see u get that so take a look in the mirror before you criticise we have only had two seasons we have no home of our own but what we do have is a good team good management great fans and most of all a good sense of humour 15 yrs in oblivion and you come down from premier league so i wouldn't be to complacent rant over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shad176 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 never mentioned booing but that to me is part of the game. The Heathens regard themselves as the best in Speedway. Pity it,s only the Heathens that think that. Uset to enjoy visits from Glasgow,Newcastle and Elesmere Port;unfortuately the Dudley drone of self importance is warring on others.The sign of true supports of any sport is that they view the evert through sporting eyes and not see just their sides players/riders. Take yourself off to rugby and see for yourself. Most supporters in speedway? Probably but at 1500 it's still pitiful against most other sports. Good luck to Dudley for the rest of the season and hope wwe meet again in the playoffs and have just a good meeting. your having a laugh right??? how long has ellesmere port been shut??? al lthe years you were watching premier league speedway we had nothing..no track no team just memories..3 years we have been back with fans who have stayed loyal, we have a saying round our way...once a heathen always a heathen and its true...do you really think i am going to say your fans are better..we love our speedway and the last 3 years have been good, seems to me you hav,nt took to nl racing too well....you tootle off to watch blokes gouging each others eyes out and biting each others ears off...me.. i,ll stick to watching my team ..whatever league were in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Oh dear.. I am a Dudley supporter through and through. If I see a good race between two riders then I will applaud them both. As will any Dudley supporter I know. But the thought of applauding every race winner from any opposing them is ridiculous. I support my team, not the opposition. You use the Example of rugby - try using the example of football (which by the way I do not support). How many supporters do you know that applaud when the opposition score? To applaud every race winner is ridiculous? It's what I do. So I am sorry villiers I come under your ridiculous type. I did not use football as an example as I packed in watching our local team quite a few years ago as I did exactly what you say at the Brit and applauded Middlesbrough scoring as it was a fantastic goal. The reaction from the "fans" was one of kill!!. I too support Stoke through and through but it's the sport that I support more. I do realize that my type of support is a dying one but It's the way I have watched sport for over 60 years and the way i was brought up and i don't expect i will change now. your having a laugh right??? how long has ellesmere port been shut??? al lthe years you were watching premier league speedway we had nothing..no track no team just memories..3 years we have been back with fans who have stayed loyal, we have a saying round our way...once a heathen always a heathen and its true...do you really think i am going to say your fans are better..we love our speedway and the last 3 years have been good, seems to me you hav,nt took to nl racing too well....you tootle off to watch blokes gouging each others eyes out and biting each others ears off...me.. i,ll stick to watching my team ..whatever league were in I have better ways of having a laugh. I was not saying anything about "our" supporters are better than other supporters; all I was saying was that, I enjoyed the banter between the supporters of the teams i mentioned than those that are around today. What has the time that Ellesmere been shut to do with anything? I would expect Heathen fans more than any other to have some thoughts for the Gunners supporters. I have watched speedway since 1976 and sport for a lot longer and you want me to tootle off and leave speedway? A sport that is crying out for supporters and you want me to leave? That would help. You are miles off with the comment about not taking to NL racing. It's the best racing I've seen for years; unfortunately a lot of Stoke supporters do not feel the same and do not go anymore and if Stoke ever decide to go back to premier then I'm not sure they would come back. I take it you do not like rugby then? Pity as you are missing probably the best sport there is and the best supporters there are about. Speedway as a whole has less supporters now than I can ever remember and to tell someone to tootle off really does not help our cause to get more to come and keep it going, for all their support if there are no other teams then Dudley go too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 This year is my 50th year of watching speedway, and never ever do I recall supporters from any club to any degree applauding every race winner, so before we take a trip down memory lane, take off the rose tinted spectacles. I did NOT say you were ridiculous, but the thought of this happening was ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) This year is my 50th year of watching speedway, and never ever do I recall supporters from any club to any degree applauding every race winner, so before we take a trip down memory lane, take off the rose tinted spectacles. I did NOT say you were ridiculous, but the thought of this happening was ridiculous. I applaud riders of both teams especially if it's a cracking race as there were last night, I respect the riders for going out and entertaining me regardless of who they ride for but hey each to their own if you don't want to applaud all winners then fine. Edited July 22, 2012 by Derek 613 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathhen1 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 never mentioned booing but that to me is part of the game. The Heathens regard themselves as the best in Speedway. Pity it,s only the Heathens that think that. Uset to enjoy visits from Glasgow,Newcastle and Elesmere Port;unfortuately the Dudley drone of self importance is warring on others.The sign of true supports of any sport is that they view the evert through sporting eyes and not see just their sides players/riders. Take yourself off to rugby and see for yourself. Most supporters in speedway? Probably but at 1500 it's still pitiful against most other sports. Good luck to Dudley for the rest of the season and hope wwe meet again in the playoffs and have just a good meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Best fans ? Best following - definitely but best fans will always be in the eye of the beholder ! Personally I think there are a number of Dudley fans who are unnecessarily antagonistic to the opposition fans, which is not something I've come across with other teams - and these aren't thuggy looking people either. Even the Dudley fans I know get all mouthy when you see them at a meeting. It's the only time my kids don't go off on their own as they find it intimidating. I applaud riders of both teams especially if it's a cracking race as there were last night, I respect the riders for going out and entertaining me regardless of who they ride for but hey each to their own if you don't want to applaud all winners then fine. Yes same here - I applauded Tom Perry a few times last night for creating some cracking races ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 2 things. Firstly, I too applauded stoke riders when they were involved in good close races, and I always will whoever we are riding. And I will applaud them no matter who wins. What I actually said (if anyone would care to read my post correctly) is that I do not applaud every opposition race winner. Secondly with regard to there being a number of Dudley fans who are unnecessarily antagonistic, this really is wearing a bit thin now. As I said, I have followed the Heathens thick and thin for 50 years, and in all that time, I have witnessed 1 fight, and 1 case of handbags at dawn. Not a bad record Id say. Yes we are loud, yes we are vocal, but please don't make it sound like the riot police shoud be on standby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 2 things. Firstly, I too applauded stoke riders when they were involved in good close races, and I always will whoever we are riding. And I will applaud them no matter who wins. What I actually said (if anyone would care to read my post correctly) is that I do not applaud every opposition race winner. Secondly with regard to there being a number of Dudley fans who are unnecessarily antagonistic, this really is wearing a bit thin now. As I said, I have followed the Heathens thick and thin for 50 years, and in all that time, I have witnessed 1 fight, and 1 case of handbags at dawn. Not a bad record Id say. Yes we are loud, yes we are vocal, but please don't make it sound like the riot police shoud be on standby. I second this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 2 things. Firstly, I too applauded stoke riders when they were involved in good close races, and I always will whoever we are riding. And I will applaud them no matter who wins. What I actually said (if anyone would care to read my post correctly) is that I do not applaud every opposition race winner. Secondly with regard to there being a number of Dudley fans who are unnecessarily antagonistic, this really is wearing a bit thin now. As I said, I have followed the Heathens thick and thin for 50 years, and in all that time, I have witnessed 1 fight, and 1 case of handbags at dawn. Not a bad record Id say. Yes we are loud, yes we are vocal, but please don't make it sound like the riot police shoud be on standby. I never said you had violent fans, I said some of your fans are unnecessarily antagonistic - there is a difference in being vocal cheering your team on, and jeering the fans of the opposition, screaming who are ya at kids, and ridiculing someone who is being friendly to you, just because they are not a Heathen fan. This is not football. That's not all your fans, but it's a minority that can give a bad name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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