Snyper1010 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Well, I have been watching speedway for sixty years, but I suppose I don't have a clue. I have probably been spoilt by watching the racing at the present Perry Barr track, where the racing is far superior to Wolverhampton. Whenever I have been to Monmore Green, riders are always crashing with first bend bunching - as happened last Monday - simply because the track is too narrow. You can sit and watch something till the end of time, it doesnt automatically mean you know anything about it. As you say, you are use to watching large tracks with big wide bends. So in actual fact you know very little about smaller, tighter tracks. At the end of the day if any of the riders in the British Final want to excel on the World stage they have to race small, tight tracks just as well as they do big, open tracks. So really the issue of moving it for the reason of track size is invalid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 It's a dump; the track is too tight for good racing; The PA (all six of them) was enough to cause permanent hearing damage; the presenter needs throwing into the nearest canal. Otherwise, it's not bad, I suppose ... Well, I have been watching speedway for sixty years, but I suppose I don't have a clue. I have probably been spoilt by watching the racing at the present Perry Barr track, where the racing is far superior to Wolverhampton. Whenever I have been to Monmore Green, riders are always crashing with first bend bunching - as happened last Monday - simply because the track is too narrow. Its amazing how people can get such polarised views! I find the racing at Perry Barr dull with little passing when i have been and i have been 5-6 times a year since its opening. How many 1st bend incidents were there on Monday in the 22 heats. A few. But then 1st bend bunching is common at most tracks. Think it has nothing to do with tight tracks. Maybe the racing has got better at Perry Barr the past couple of seasons - that i can only comment on what i have seen. i am sure if Perry Barr has got that much better then they will be up for best race track or prepared track. Think there is a definate divide between those that think small tracks = poor racing and think big tracks are better. Having travelled extensively to watch speedway i would take a tight track like Monmore everytime. Tho i will add that Peterborough is my other favourite track to watch racing at. Anyway, its all opinion aint it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) I enjoy it being at Wolverhampton, Not to far to travel after work and have enjoyed the 3 british finals i have been to. Fair comment about the 1st bend theory as the british final more than any other meeting you get riders throwing the bike into the 1st corner. The track always holds up well and the final heat was first class, our two best riders racing hard but giving each other racing room, if that had been a GP final and not Nicholls and Harris then more people would be saying what a fantastic advert for speedway it was. Hope the meeting ends up on youtube soon Edited August 1, 2012 by Coventry_Bee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Personally ive never been to wolves so only have what i see on tv to go on so cant comment on facilities, viewing, and the p.a or announcer as i wouldnt know. but the point is you should be able to ride any track big or small. it would be boring to be at say Peterboro every year just because it is fast. my opinion is move it every year. wolves this year then pboro then cov then poole then lakeside even include sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Whilst im really happy for Scott and i think he fully deserved the title i do think he should give up the wild card. Realistically Scott will porbably score 5-6 points but what will he take away from the meeting will he learn anything he doesnt know allready? This is the only reason id like to see him give it up. I am a Woffinden fan so i would say he should get it but even the likes of Cook, Barker etc would learn so much more from the experience. Yes they might not score much but surely giving them a taste of it can only be benificial? Some will say Woffinden had his chance but you have to remember what he was going through that year. He admits himself he wasnt ready. You only have to look at the rest of the grand prix this year (New Zealand apart) All have been taken by young hungry riders who were desperate for a chance. Yes there very talented youngsters but the amount they would of taken from those meetings even if they had had poor meetings would of been massive. Like to state again this isnt a slant at Scott he was the best rider on the night just an observation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Why should Scott give up the WC? his sponsors would sue him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Why should Scott give up the WC? his sponsors would sue him. Ok didnt think about sponsors but ive wrote quite a big list of why i think he should just above. Put your pecker away and read away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Very suprised we did not see 1 further change in the pack ready for the final push. This will now be the 1-7 that will take us to the end of the season. I'll be surprised if it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) Well, I have been watching speedway for sixty years, but I suppose I don't have a clue. I have probably been spoilt by watching the racing at the present Perry Barr track, where the racing is far superior to Wolverhampton. Whenever I have been to Monmore Green, riders are always crashing with first bend bunching - as happened last Monday - simply because the track is too narrow. Riders "always" crashing with first bend bunching ? Really? Perhaps you would like to remind us just how many were stopped as a result of first bend bunching on Monday. I make 1 heat out of 22 (the King/ Nichols incident) that was all 4 back. That's hardly "always" is it? Two other races were stopped due to rider error first bend crashes, resulting in rider exclusions, nothing to do with the supposedly narrow track. There were far more races stopped through false starts. Looks like you're moaning for the sake of it if first bend bunching is your gripe. The usual "My tracks better than your track" nonsense. Anyone who has seen Peter Karlsson ripping through the field at Wolves or Lakeside will soon realise that poor racing is not caused by tight tracks. Its caused by poor riders who can't ride tight tracks and cant be bothered to learn. According to Stuart Robson, who knows a thing or two about riding tight tracks like Wolves and Lakeside its largely to do with position on the bike. A rider can get away with a flawed technique on a big track but if he is not comfortable on the bike he will get caught out at tight tracks. Changing the subject slightly, the last race on Monday really showed that Nichols and Bomber are still the best two Brits when it comes to ruthless shoulder-to-shoulder cut-throat racing and Scott therefore deserves his place at Cardiff. Its' no good putting someone else in on the basis that the experience will do them good. If they can't cut the mustard at the country's major domestic competition they shouldn't be leapfrogged over the heads of those that can. Edited August 1, 2012 by Custer Mouse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Horses for courses ,Scott was a deserved winner on the night but just say if we had had it at Swindon,Sheffield,Somerset, Berwick,or Scunny.? .Would there have been a different winner?I think so myself.I would like to see the meeting changed more often then it would show the riders skills on different sorts of tracks.Coventry and Wolves have had rather a lot of meetings over the years saying that Wolves is ok and have enjoyed going there over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 sidney i have to disagree with the comment if it was held at other tracks we would have had a different winner at scunny or somerset, personally i think the top 3 brits Nicholls, Harris and Tai are the top 3 whatever track you have it at with Barker and Kennett just behind. The spoilers would be different i.e at Scunny expect Auty to be up in the semis and say at Workington Roynon may be , but lets be honest we may have a different winner but two out of the top 3 would always be Harris Tai or Scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 sidney i have to disagree with the comment if it was held at other tracks we would have had a different winner at scunny or somerset, personally i think the top 3 brits Nicholls, Harris and Tai are the top 3 whatever track you have it at with Barker and Kennett just behind. The spoilers would be different i.e at Scunny expect Auty to be up in the semis and say at Workington Roynon may be , but lets be honest we may have a different winner but two out of the top 3 would always be Harris Tai or Scotty I'm not so sure Gavan a different ball game, also if it was just the best of 5 rides maybe that could of made a difference as well.I certainly wouldn't of seen him win 7 British titles over the years ,also on other tracks Barker and certainly Kennett are not definitely the next best.But what a great achievement by Scott well done to him even thou Scott had a bad season for the Robins I've always liked him at his best a excellent rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 well if this is the best talent on offer we have then were pretty doomed. top riders who cant cut the mustard in the gp. middle order riders who havnt improved for years. few decent young riders but when compared to whats on offer from abroad at the same age or less, not as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Wolves and Brum are both very good race tracks for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Horses for courses ,Scott was a deserved winner on the night but just say if we had had it at Swindon,Sheffield,Somerset, Berwick,or Scunny.? .Would there have been a different winner?I think so myself.I would like to see the meeting changed more often then it would show the riders skills on different sorts of tracks.Coventry and Wolves have had rather a lot of meetings over the years saying that Wolves is ok and have enjoyed going there over the years. I don't think so. The best riders can do it all tracks - as an example, the highest placed Brit at the ELRC last year at Swindon was also Mr Nicholls. Although Wolves always seems to provide good racing, I do think it should be spread around the tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I don't think so. The best riders can do it all tracks - as an example, the highest placed Brit at the ELRC last year at Swindon was also Mr Nicholls. Although Wolves always seems to provide good racing, I do think it should be spread around the tracks. No disrespect the ELRC was a pretty average line up, if the British semis and FInals had been regularly shared around do you honestly think he would of won 7 titles.? No getting away from it thou what a terrific achievement for Scott and fair play to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 is Nicholls Britains best ever rider? The record books show this. The record books may show it, but my memories say possibly not as the British Finals of the 60's, 70's and early 80's were stacked with world class riders and, as much as I admire Scotty and I agree that he can only beat what is put in front of him, he may have struggled to win as many titles during that era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 The record books may show it, but my memories say possibly not as the British Finals of the 60's, 70's and early 80's were stacked with world class riders and, as much as I admire Scotty and I agree that he can only beat what is put in front of him, he may have struggled to win as many titles during that era. He would of won none in my opinion,up to 1974' the level was immense Briggo,Ivan, MIrac(ect).From 1975 through the PC Lee Jessup,Simmo,Carter years it was a world class meeting.As you said macca you can only beat what is in front of you in the era you are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 No disrespect the ELRC was a pretty average line up, if the British semis and FInals had been regularly shared around do you honestly think he would of won 7 titles.? No getting away from it thou what a terrific achievement for Scott and fair play to him. So, 6 GP riders plus Darcy Ward and Iversen etc. and you say it was an average line-up? Now I think you're being a little unfair. And to answer your question my answer is I don't know but he would have had the same riders to beat so no reason why not. It hasn't always been at Wolves of course and he really should have won 8 times as only an EF in 2004 gave the title to Joe Screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Whilst im really happy for Scott and i think he fully deserved the title i do think he should give up the wild card. Realistically Scott will porbably score 5-6 points but what will he take away from the meeting will he learn anything he doesnt know allready? Scott Nicholls earned the right to ride at Cardiff and he beat GP Bomber to do it. Why should he give that up. It's a shame other nations do not do the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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