mdmc82 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Cardiff is a great place to host it. Or coventry or wolves as would give team gb abit more of a advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Cardiff is a great place to host it. GREAT yes ...viable no Or coventry or wolves as would give team gb abit more of a advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 IF space is available, as it is at both Peterborough and Kings Lynn, a lot can be done. Look at how they transform golf courses for the major events. All those facilities are brought in just fir a few days. Yes, but it comes down to who'll pay for it. The likes of the Open gets thousands of paying spectators over the 4 days, so there's more amortisation of the investment. There's also a lot of British golfers in the event so plenty of home interest. The SWC is just a couple of 2-3 hour events at best, and with far fewer potential spectators. And if the home team isn't in a round, it could be even more disastrous. If not a lot of up-front investment is required then the risks are lower. It's always been a mystery to me though, why crowds for the SWC have never really been that good as it's always a much more interesting event that the SGP. Even in the old days, the WTC never drew attendances that were comparable with World Finals either. Why not try to have the best teams qualify and the best teams win without jokers and seeding? Quite simple - money. If I were a Croatian promoter, I'm not sure I'd want to take the risk of staging a big final without local interest. It might just about work in Britain where there's enough interest in club riders to follow them in the competition even if they're from another country, but otherwise how would you sell an event where the participants are not only unknown, but the chances of any local interest are virtually nil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I KNOW what you are saying Humphrey but I was simply saying that it would be possible, and indeed practical, to bring in temporary grandstands and catering facilities at both KL and Peterborough although obviously not on the scale of a major golf tournament. And, as already stated, that is exactly what they will do at the Norfolk Arena for the stock car final. Incidentally, the cost to BMW of installing their 'village' at Wentworth was around £4 million! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Prague would be a good place to hold the two meetings. Marketa is local to the city, plenty of hotels, good nightlife, accessable from other European countries by car and an airport close by. Maybe the home nation could get seeded to the Race Off ? That would give them home advantage but also allow the top 4 teams on ability to fight out the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Prague would be a good place to hold the two meetings. Marketa is local to the city, plenty of hotels, good nightlife, accessable from other European countries by car and an airport close by. Maybe the home nation could get seeded to the Race Off ? That would give them home advantage but also allow the top 4 teams on ability to fight out the final. SO presumably the suggestion is: Hosts seeded to race-off Winners of two qualifiers direct to final Runners-up in qualifiers to race-off Highest scoring team in qualifiers to race-off Top two in race-off to final Has merit 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) SO presumably the suggestion is: Hosts seeded to race-off Winners of two qualifiers direct to final Runners-up in qualifiers to race-off Highest scoring team in qualifiers to race-off Top two in race-off to final Has merit Yes that would work well. Taking Prague as an example it would give the CZ team a decent chance with home advantage in the Race Off. It would also allow the 4 best teams to get to the Final. In the qualifiers it would mean each point is vital to come 3rd to get to the Race Off. But there would have to be provision for 'joker points' to be accounted for. It's not a cert that both 3rd place teams would be able to use a joker. If both teams used the joker I'd remove those points from end scores. If Team A gets 6pts but Team B fails to score the effect of the joker is greater on the end score. Personally I'd get rid of the joker. It stop what the Danes did last Saturday. They played to the rules, nothing stopping them, but it didnt look right. It's probably there for TV but it disorts the end result. The high level of competition should be good enough for TV as with 4 good teams in the final it should be a close call who wins. Have the Race Off & Final in a place that's easy to get to. Malilla must be one of the most remore tracks, maybe that had an effect on the crowd ? Edited July 17, 2012 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yes that would work well. Taking Prague as an example it would give the CZ team a decent chance with home advantage in the Race Off. It would also allow the 4 best teams to get to the Final. In the qualifiers it would mean each point is vital to come 3rd to get to the Race Off. But there would have to be provision for 'joker points' to be accounted for. It's not a cert that both 3rd place teams would be able to use a joker. If both teams used the joker I'd remove those points from end scores. If Team A gets 6pts but Team B fails to score the effect of the joker is greater on the end score. Personally I'd get rid of the joker. It stop what the Danes did last Saturday. They played to the rules, nothing stopping them, but it didnt look right. It's probably there for TV but it disorts the end result. The high level of competition should be good enough for TV as with 4 good teams in the final it should be a close call who wins. Have the Race Off & Final in a place that's easy to get to. Malilla must be one of the most remore tracks, maybe that had an effect on the crowd ? THE attendance was significantly hit by the weather, as bad if not worse in Sweden than the UK. Malilla traditional draws its crowd from quite a wide area but people weren't prepared to travel fearing either a postponement nor getting drenched ... there is no cover at the G&B Arena. Had it been a nice, warm, dry day there is no doubt the stadium would have been packed. The adjoining camp site was empty. Usually (for a GP) is is very busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 THE attendance was significantly hit by the weather, as bad if not worse in Sweden than the UK. Malilla traditional draws its crowd from quite a wide area but people weren't prepared to travel fearing either a postponement nor getting drenched ... there is no cover at the G&B Arena. Had it been a nice, warm, dry day there is no doubt the stadium would have been packed. Yes, the weather did look poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Hmmmm i was there--weather for the race off was fine but must admit travelling to the final i was amazed it was on as we were half hour from the track and it had rained most of the day---it was very lucky it was on so i can see why it put a lot of Swedes off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yes that would work well. Taking Prague as an example it would give the CZ team a decent chance with home advantage in the Race Off. It would also allow the 4 best teams to get to the Final. It wouldn't be beyond the bounds of possibility to stage the Race-Off and Final as a double header if you ran each event as 16 heats. That way you'd get the home crowd in the stadium, and even if the home team went out in the Race-Off, you'd still have the crowd in the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) It wouldn't be beyond the bounds of possibility to stage the Race-Off and Final as a double header if you ran each event as 16 heats. That way you'd get the home crowd in the stadium, and even if the home team went out in the Race-Off, you'd still have the crowd in the stadium. Yes. MIght make it a long day, big interval needed to arrange the pits, but some decent entertainment would pass the time or a good bar. Edited July 17, 2012 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yes. MIght make it a long day, big interval needed to arrange the pits, but some decent entertainment would pass the time or a good bar. In fact, you could also run two the Semi-Finals as a double header, with the host team in one of them. If they win their Semi-Final they go directly through to the Final; otherwise they're seeded to the Race-Off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Team GB won't stand a chance if the round is at the Showground. The Poles love the Showground, All the Danes have rode for Peterborough and the Russians will love the Showground even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Any idea when dates get announced for the play-off's & finals next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Google translation of Sportowefakty article that indicates that 2013 play-off and final will be held in Prague . Next year's World Team Cup final will most likely be held in Prague. In the Czech capital will host a traditional one round of the Grand Prix. In an interview with the service speedway z.cz Petr Ondrasik said that negotiations with the BSI to organize both the DPS and the Grand Prix tournament are on track. - Negotiations are ongoing and it seems to me that the competition will take place in our country - said. - We did not sign the agreement, because Paul Bellamy is currently on leave. We want the agreement to host both events sign at one time - explains Ondrasik. Provisionally concluded that the Grand Prix tournament at the stadium Marketa held on 18 May, while the Team World Cup competitions in the third week of July. The Czechs, like the Swedish team this year, will have an advance guaranteed start in the final Edited August 14, 2012 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 It would also guarentee the Czechs would be seeded into the 2014 tournament as they would not do a semi final and come 4th. Quite a good break for a team who I would rate as 7th in the World right now and thus on the bubble. That said I think the tournament going to a new place isn't all bad - maybe we'll bringn it stateside at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Google translation of Sportowefakty article that indicates that 2013 play-off and final will be held in Prague . Next year's World Team Cup final will most likely be held in Prague. In the Czech capital will host a traditional one round of the Grand Prix. In an interview with the service speedway z.cz Petr Ondrasik said that negotiations with the BSI to organize both the DPS and the Grand Prix tournament are on track. - Negotiations are ongoing and it seems to me that the competition will take place in our country - said. - We did not sign the agreement, because Paul Bellamy is currently on leave. We want the agreement to host both events sign at one time - explains Ondrasik. Provisionally concluded that the Grand Prix tournament at the stadium Marketa held on 18 May, while the Team World Cup competitions in the third week of July. The Czechs, like the Swedish team this year, will have an advance guaranteed start in the final czech source., well i think it was pretty obvious this year, that it was not a good idea to have the host seeded into the final. It didn't help one bit and the host teams were to rusty where some riders hadn't had a meeting for almost two weeks. I agree with steve though t hat its good that it is not in Denmark/Poland every year but they could at least try to fins a better track, Edited August 14, 2012 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidncohen Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Only watched highlights via YouTube, but was very surprised at the somewhat sparse crowd at this year's Italian GP - the crowds seem to vary enormously, but I'm sure better venues could be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 No way Swindon, KIng,s Lynn and Sheffield are by far the best racing tracks left in Britain.Was always bemused why Coventry had all those British FInals ?see some good ones 1975 but also some mediocre ones too. I dont think they decide on where to host a SWC based on the race track. It would be based more on facilities and Coventry is certainly the best in Britain and could get 12,000+ in there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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