stratton Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Having watched the wtc, how do we build for the future ?in my opinion it looks bleak but should we have a strategy and stick to it.Its difficult as we should give the young ones a chance but also you don't want them out of there depth as well.The days of Lee, Collins, Carter,Morton, Wigg are long gone but how can we move forward. I feel the PL have a huge part to play,be great if a couple of English riders per team were given a continued run in the team.As if you look at some Pl teams there are quite a lot of mediocre foreign riders taking up chances that are young boys should be getting.What are people's thoughts? I think we maybe are past the stage of being able to do anything about it as the the long decline in quality is well set in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmas Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 copy what danmark and sweden do at 80cc level, we are a joke at bringing kids through 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I fully agree xmas. I know of one very good youngster who when possible is going to Denmark to get the racing experience. I am sure that he, along with others, would benefit from an 80cc league in the UK. I can remember seeing the sons of riders going round a small track but not allowed to race with each other. Other countries have progressive engine size leagues and this is where the majority of the good riders are coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Probably in the short term see if they can get a few decent riders to do a Rune Holta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 The sad thing is that Sydney could have been making that identical post 10 years ago The promoters know what they need to do.... they just refuse to invest now for tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahLapworth Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 copy what danmark and sweden do at 80cc level, we are a joke at bringing kids through I trust that you have not heard of the MDL or AJL then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 And it should also be borne in mind the excellent work being carried out by the BSPA (yes those who knock that organisation - THE BSPA!) through the Youth Championships being overseen on their behalf by Phil Morris and Neil Vatcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Just think how disappointed they might be in Sweden then as they have a vibrant 80cc scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 copy what danmark and sweden do at 80cc level, we are a joke at bringing kids through to be honest Swedish 80cc riders are far from the standard as the Danes have. Just look at the FIM Youth gold trophy results: http://www.racemagazine.se/trippel-danmark-i-ungdoms-vm-i-speedway/ Danes, Danes, Danes and one or two Aussie boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Get Matt Ford to run TeamGB He could convince Vaculik to join TeamGB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I trust that you have not heard of the MDL or AJL then? Anyone who can compare the MDL to the Swedish/Danish 80cc set-up needs their head checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 And it should also be borne in mind the excellent work being carried out by the BSPA (yes those who knock that organisation - THE BSPA!) through the Youth Championships being overseen on their behalf by Phil Morris and Neil Vatcher. Maybe,but this is the set-up that seems to have made our best prospect leave and further his career in Germany instead of any of the BSPA options Anyone who can compare the MDL to the Swedish/Danish 80cc set-up needs their head checked. For once i agree with you to be honest Swedish 80cc riders are far from the standard as the Danes have. Just look at the FIM Youth gold trophy results: http://www.racemagaz...-vm-i-speedway/ Danes, Danes, Danes and one or two Aussie boys. Yes i agree Ghostie.For the past few years i think the Danes are way ahead of the rest really.Only strange thing is where the Poles come from,as most of the Poles i have seen on 80cc over the past seasons don't seem to make it.Ok i remember Wozniak a few times and now Woryna is just starting out on 500cc,but most of the top Polish juniors don't seem to be doing the YGT etc....Pawlicki bros or Dudek,Zmarzlik for instance i can't recall on 80cc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) the 80cc was discussed in this weeks televised meeting on Canal+ and from what i can remember it was pointed out that the Danes were so much better at taking car of their riders. While in Sweden basically everyone is left to fend on his or her own. Regarding youth speedway in the UK, i realize that empty space is very hard to find. I am not that familiar with British tracks but tracks of the size like P'boro would be able have a smaller track inside the larger one. I Sweden I know Masarna and Piraterna have that type of tracks. Both of them are smaller then P'boro, Edited July 19, 2012 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Maybe,but this is the set-up that seems to have made our best prospect leave and further his career in Germany instead of any of the BSPA options As I understand it (but am open to correction if I'm wrong) said 14 year old prospect cannot be permitted to race a 500cc machine in our league set up as necessary insurance coverage in UK only covers riders aged 15 upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 If that is the case,it is very clear cut and no-one could argue with it.Seems strange then that there is so much bad feeling towards people who couldn't do anything about it.Sure we all wait to see the results of this excellent work.The future looks bright then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelcroucher Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 i have said for quite a long time now we need to change for the youngsters, but most people say no we dont. To build for the future we need to look at what we done years ago in Poland. The UK went to Poland and help them build the tracks and now they have some of the best track racing. What I also dont understand its not the riders that let the side down its how they work as a team and how some of the current team looks overweight to be on the speedway bike. The riders can race the bikes but dont seem to have the full package. What I have noticed over the years with u21 and international that the riders dont talk to each other. Look at this WC Woffy half the time on the Thursday meeting was have a laugh with the Aussies and have a drink with them when he should have been with his UK team lucky for him he did score well that night. But going back to the subject of what should England do rebuild is start again with a fresh on tracks and equipment and with youngsters get money behind them and work with them so 4 years down the lane we have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Interestingly there's no 80cc racing in Oz; 125s then 350s when you're old enough, and no 500s (in competition) until you're sixteen, which makes the achievements of youngsters like Arthur Sissis (now with MotoGP), Brady Kurtz, and Max Fricke even more commendable; having to get used to a different machine as soon as they get off the plane in Denmark. If you're planning a visit to Oz this coming Winter, no Speedway trip would be complete without a visit to Kurri Kurri on the 19th January to see the Under 21s and Under 16 350s: one of our best meetings. No quarter asked or given - these kids are riding for Sheep Stations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndBender Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 And it should also be borne in mind the excellent work being carried out by the BSPA (yes those who knock that organisation - THE BSPA!) through the Youth Championships being overseen on their behalf by Phil Morris and Neil Vatcher. And the BSPA could and should have done a lot more, when they had the chance. They should have put aside their blinkered self interests, and put together a rescue package which would have ensured the survival of Newport Speedway. A purpose-built facility with no-constraints planning consent enabling 365 day a year usage, and the declared involvement of their very own Phil Morris! I'm not party to any of the background politics, but was this ever considered? Oh, and the new Belle Vue, I hear you say.....I'm not holding my breath....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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