Grachan Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm sorry - perhaps I have misunderstood all of these years. I always thought that the word RACING mean't trying with all might and main to WIN!!! In the context of the meeting that's exactly what they WERE doing. I just don't see why some people are so outraged that Denmark were trying to make sure they won the meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Welcome to my first post (Am ready to be moaned at) Am sure I can take it! (I hope) Denmark, did very well Nikki P just loves it! Youngsters held there nerve and did a fantastic job! Australia, all a little shocked I think! Holder is brilliant, but must learn spitting a mouthfull next to the camera is always going to make you look stupid. Watt not quick enough. Russia, well done, showed passion! Nikki P and the "Joker race" or "Joke of a race" Took me by suprise as it did Crump! Fantastic entertainment (Lets face it the Aussies were caught out by Nikki and his sticky throttle) big smile. He must have still been racing as I think he came third in that race. Nikki P not the fastest, but commited, quick from the gate and has the will to win at all costs. Like it or not speedway needs entertainers, pantomime villains, controversy, talking points. 50% of the GPs I watch on TV the most memorable talking point has something to do with Nikki P (The rest is just racing, good or bad) The "Joker Rule" in general!!!!!!!!!! If you make strange rules/strange things will happen. It would have been SO UNFAIR IF AUSTRALIA HAD WON after playing the joker! (Within the rules but unfair) Well done Denmark from a neutral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) In the context of the meeting that's exactly what they WERE doing. I just don't see why some people are so outraged that Denmark were trying to make sure they won the meeting. Personally not outraged that they were trying to win,just find it farcical that they have to lose to try to ensure that,rather than just going out and winning heats.That is what the rule does and it is unfair that not all teams have the chance to use it.It penalises a team who go out and want to win every heat possible.In a way it encourages a team to under perform and what sport should do that?Crazy Edited July 15, 2012 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Well Done Denmark, but PLEASE - no home team qualifying straight to the final; five-man teams again and NO Joker in future. That would put GB out of running for good! After all, thats why the rule of the seeded home nation was introduced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Unbelievable! Pages and pages of whingeing about the double tactical bollox and yet we got an 'exciting' end to the meeting with 'loads of drama and tension'. You want speedway to be like darts or wrestling, you got it! Do you want fries with that? Ha ha. Unbelievable.....you want an exciting finish just have one heat or after 19 heats scrap all the points and make ita last heat decider.....or make it that the team in front can't score any and all the other teams can use a joker to get enough points to enable them to win.You are happy every time....unbelievable!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Russians finished well, but weren't interested when the track was grippy for the first half. For some bizarre reason the Russians seemed more intent on looking behind rather than forward for the first dozen heats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 People seem to forget that of Pedersen had been excluded for his diliberate tactical slow down that would have benefited Denmark even more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Congrats to Danmark..great team spirit, and superb riding from the Jensens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratecnic Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Is there a track in Berwickshire? Certainly not Berwick, which is in Northumberland, England everyone knows berwick is a scottish town invaded by the english and never given back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 So it is ok to win at all costs, rather than just take part then?! Just checking.......! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratecnic Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 congrates to denmark well deserved. Keep the tac rule it certainly livened up the end. Pearson buffoon. So unproffesional. How many mistakes can one man make in a meeting. His commentary will put off more newcomers to the sport than anything else that happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Reading a lot of these posts it seems to me we should be applauding the Denmark team , for exposing the ludicrous Joker rule. Can we now expect Elite League teams to follow the example, to show the authorities it's time to ditch Jokers. Oops forgot myself there, after all The Authorities are The Jokers............... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Kix Lives Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Unbelievable! Pages and pages of whingeing about the double tactical bollox and yet we got an 'exciting' end to the meeting with 'loads of drama and tension'. You want speedway to be like darts or wrestling, you got it! Another one who can't spot the difference between genuine concern and dismay over a stupid and damaging rule, and petty 'whingeing'. Very sad. I want an exciting end to a meeting but not this way. It is possible to have a great meeting without ridiculous rules to achieve it. As for 'livening up the end' well, why not make half the field race in the other direction, if 'anything goes'. I would say that I want speedway, not all-in wrestling. Sadly events like last night relegate us to that contrived 'junk sport' category, as opposed to sports with integrity such as say barrel jumping or bog snorkelling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 everyone knows berwick is a scottish town invaded by the english and never given back. As Carlisle was an English city nicked by the Scots until the English regained it. Hadrians Wall cuts through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 This nonsense about the riders slowing down to lose points being somehow not in the spirit of the sport makes me laugh I may be a bit older than many here but can't believe that some of the other age challenged here don't remember a rider deliberately losing a place to either stop a team using the old tac sub rule or brining them six down to benefit from the tac sub rule. I have seen that happen many times over the last 40 odd years both with teams I was supporting and the opposition. It's as old as the hills and an 'accepted' tactic under the old tac sub rule. Hell it happens here nowadays in British speedway and I have seen a rider deliberately lose to allow or prevent the stupid double point option we have here. So why there is the fuss about Nicki doing it then everybody doing it in heat 17 frankly eludes me. I remember back in 1981 at White City, Bruce Penhall had 4 unbeaten rides to lead the Continental Final. In his last ride he was grouped with 3 other Amercians who all wanted to qualify for the world final in LA and Penhall duly obliged by cruising around in last place, giving his compatriots the chance to score the points required. So it's nothing new, been happening for years............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 everyone knows berwick is a scottish town invaded by the english and never given back. And for that Im very thankful. So it is ok to win at all costs, rather than just take part then?! Just checking.......! Where you have a tactical ride rule there will always be a risk of riders riding tactically,thats what we saw with firstly Pedersen,then Jepsen Jensen and Watt.Im sure that it will be looked at over the winter along with the no reserves rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) I remember back in 1981 at White City, Bruce Penhall had 4 unbeaten rides to lead the Continental Final. In his last ride he was grouped with 3 other Amercians who all wanted to qualify for the world final in LA and Penhall duly obliged by cruising around in last place, giving his compatriots the chance to score the points required. So it's nothing new, been happening for years............. You are getting away from the point here.Of course in individual competition someone can help someone else out.It is unfair,but hard to stop.Same as average manipulation.But this rule actually is there to disadvantage the better team(s).Now anyway as we don't have a one day world final the chances of helping someone become world champ are very minute .Only in the GP qualis could this still be an obvious problem.We have probably all heard about buying heats to become world champ and that is one very big advantage of the GPs.It would also be super if the world team champs would always be the best team and not the one who used a joker to beat the best team-luckily this year the best team did win Edited July 15, 2012 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 The idea of excluding a rider for not racing could, of course, be open to interpretation. Does a rider race to win the race or win the meeting? If by winning a particular race it makes it harder for his team to win the meeting, could it not be argued that, in fact, he is racing to win by losing? Isn't winning the meeting the bigger prize and should it not therefore take precedence? Oh, and by the way, scrap the Joker Rule!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undercover Elephant Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 For those that are commenting on the Sky commentary team last night, I was more than pleased by the efforts of Darren Fletcher and Jan Staechmann on our World Cup feed here in Australia on Speed. A refreshing change to the normal proceedings from Pearson and Tatum. Not that I have anything against the regular hosts etc. Jan and Fletch did comment on the ridiculous actions regarding the Joker rule and tactical rides from Nicki and the young Danish rider. It was getting a bit silly an slightly embarrassing to watch, and a review should be looked at i think. Jan said that perhaps Craig Ackroyd may have to step in if things got more ridiculous. Can you imagine if the next set of heats ended with riders actually stopping on the track literally?? I'm in favour of no team making the Final from the beginning of the WC. By all means take an event to Czech Republic but no automatic seeding to the Final. Make sure that the track is not only rider friendly but also TV audience friendly. Nobody wants to watch a slick meeting. I want to be entertained, so give us a track (weather permitting) that is going to provide good action for everyone concerned. Some riders must learn to be gracious in defeat. The Aussies would have been rubbing it in everyone's faces had they won and the actions of some of them leaved a lot to be desired. The post race interview from Jason Crump summed him up to a tee to be frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Well done Denmark. The future is bright, the future is Red and White...............We are Red, we are White, we are Danish dynamite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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