emerald tyke Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I say get rid of the joker too..made a mockery of it when NP "threw" the race by NOT racing! I would say the same should any team have done it. Rule is team 6 pts behind can play joker and riders must be seen to be racing to the line (would have thought more so for the lead rider!!!)I unlike when a third placed rider in race with only 3 racers! when he has to push it home to actually finish to gain the point thats remaining). I've never been a fan of NP but must admit he is a character of the sport of which we could do with more of.......he thinks of his sponsors too, when he sees the tv camera "on him" he does something be it, kick a chair, throw a helmet etc so the camera obviously stays on him and sponsors get the coverage.What a man lol Enjoyed the racing overall this year in WC. Roll on Cardiff now next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I've said it before and I'll say it again, make sure the losing team is 8 or 10 points behind before they can use the joker. That way they can't (potentially) pull back the entire deficit in 1 race! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I've said it before and i'll say it again.Crap rule,scrap it altogether 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I've said it before and I'll say it again, make sure the losing team is 8 or 10 points behind before they can use the joker. That way they can't (potentially) pull back the entire deficit in 1 race! I'm sorry Dave - I can't agree with you. The 'Joker' should be scrapped altogether - it cheapens our Sport. :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 The ozzys got what they deserved, it was a big mistake by the team manager to let the riders pick the team , Last years team manager was the same he picked his buddies and the result was the same . Long may it continue . It's a team that works together and nearly won it. Whether it's a matey selection or not they all get on well and that counts for a lot. Are there better riders? Sullivan's name was mentioned but if he doesn't get on with the others what's to be gained? Who needs animosity in such a small squad? Just think Ballotelli at Man City and Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Word was that Ryan was unavailable that weekend anyway, rumoured to be moving house. As for the rest of the criticism of the Oz Team, it's more a reflection on the posters themselves - none of these armchair critics ever miss a chance to slag off the Aussies, that is when they're not slagging off their own country's riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Word was that Ryan was unavailable that weekend anyway, rumoured to be moving house. As for the rest of the criticism of the Oz Team, it's more a reflection on the posters themselves - none of these armchair critics ever miss a chance to slag off the Aussies, that is when they're not slagging off their own country's riders. What do you deem slagging them off? They did come across as sore losers, the TV clearly showed that by the way some of them behaved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 SPOKE to Harris about Holder incident at KL ... dirty? Certainly not as far as Chris was concerned. Just a racing incident that probably had as much to do with rain shower as anything else. CH added that his Heat 19 encounter with Holder was as good as it was because both riders had absolute trust in each other. Cannot and would not condone some behavioural issues but to suggest that Holder is a dirty rider is just rubbish. And even a former Harris associate acknowledged that he does sometimes slip off a little easily. Are you suggesting at Kings Lynn Harris came off too easily? I do agree it was a racing incident, not deliberate at all, but Holder clearly swiped his wheel away and for Holder to them accuse Harris of coming off too easily is rather pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) SPOKE to Harris about Holder incident at KL ... dirty? Certainly not as far as Chris was concerned. Just a racing incident that probably had as much to do with rain shower as anything else. CH added that his Heat 19 encounter with Holder was as good as it was because both riders had absolute trust in each other. Cannot and would not condone some behavioural issues but to suggest that Holder is a dirty rider is just rubbish. And even a former Harris associate acknowledged that he does sometimes slip off a little easily. And I would also bow to the judgement of no lesser a legend that Ove Fundin who asked me to introduce him to Holder prior to the start of the final. "He is my favourite rider," said Ove, "and I told him that he is being hard done by referees in the GP this year. He's a racer that I just love to watch." Don`t think it would be in Chris Harris`s best interests to label a rider `dirty` especially to a journalist ! It is upto the fans to put the labels on riders and on this occasion the fans at Lynn thought he deserved one, I was unaware the referee at Kings Lynn had excluded Holder because of a rain shower I thought he was excluded for unfare riding !The move Holder pulled on Chris Harris is becoming his trade mark it has been used and seen on SKY several times now. Its understandable that certain people ( Buddies, Poole fans ) feel the need to defend Holder for his actions, one even suggesting the Holder SPITTING incident was manufactured by a camera man !! Regarding Darcy Ward it was said that he had undergone stringent tests on his hand and he was in perfect shape NOW it turns out he was unable to use his clutch hand to full effect ! perhaps they would have been better off going with Batchelor or the fast gating Schlein Edited July 18, 2012 by dornier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I agree, if darcy wasnt up to it they also had doyle who is one of the most inform aussie riders at the moment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 CHRIS Harris wasn't talking to me as a 'journalist' but in general conversation and it was he who suggested that had the track not been greasy after the rain shower Holder wouldn't have hit him. With respect dornier I think it is riders who are the best judges of what is dirty and what is not, who is dirty and who is not. Harris had no problem with the move as you call it pulled by Holder, either in that race or the subsequent Heat 19 which was brilliant to watch and, according to both, to compete in. No one said Darcy was in perfect shape only that he was deemed fit to ride, which he was. And, let's face it, gating is not Darcy's greatest asset at the best of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I've said it before and I'll say it again, make sure the losing team is 8 or 10 points behind before they can use the joker. That way they can't (potentially) pull back the entire deficit in 1 race! what change would it make? It would still mean double points and it would still mean that it is rewarding a team that is a certain amount of points behind the leader. What is the difference then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 what change would it make? It would still mean double points and it would still mean that it is rewarding a team that is a certain amount of points behind the leader. What is the difference then? Don't get me wrong, I still hate the rule, but if it has to stay then surely make it so the losing team can't make back the whole deficit in one race. Make them work slightly harder for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Regarding Darcy Ward it was said that he had undergone stringent tests on his hand and he was in perfect shape NOW it turns out he was unable to use his clutch hand to full effect ! perhaps they would have been better off going with Batchelor or the fast gating Schlein Batchelor? Isn't he the guy who rates himself above Holder? He talks a good game but a half fit Ward will always be a class above. The difference is that Ward knows he's good because he is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) Batchelor? Isn't he the guy who rates himself above Holder? He talks a good game but a half fit Ward will always be a class above. The difference is that Ward knows he's good because he is good. There you have it then ! they lost CHRIS Harris wasn't talking to me as a 'journalist' but in general conversation and it was he who suggested that had the track not been greasy after the rain shower Holder wouldn't have hit him. With respect dornier I think it is riders who are the best judges of what is dirty and what is not, who is dirty and who is not. Harris had no problem with the move as you call it pulled by Holder, either in that race or the subsequent Heat 19 which was brilliant to watch and, according to both, to compete in. No one said Darcy was in perfect shape only that he was deemed fit to ride, which he was. And, let's face it, gating is not Darcy's greatest asset at the best of times. How can anybody talk to a journalist in general conversation , Its obvious to anybody with a brain that if a journalist gets any mud to sling he is going to . It sells papers . So Ward was fit to ride but not fit to race. It's a team that works together and nearly won it. Whether it's a matey selection or not they all get on well and that counts for a lot. Are there better riders? Sullivan's name was mentioned but if he doesn't get on with the others what's to be gained? Who needs animosity in such a small squad? Just think Ballotelli at Man City and Italy. You say they ALL get on well but what do you think Batchelor , Schlein , Doyle thought about it, They probably thought I`m not in this clique . Edited July 18, 2012 by dornier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 There you have it then ! they lost How can anybody talk to a journalist in general conversation , Its obvious to anybody with a brain that if a journalist gets any mud to sling he is going to . It sells papers . So Ward was fit to ride but not fit to race. BUT Harris didn't have any mud to sling. That's coming from your direction. And you obviously know little or nothing about the vast majority of journalists. I spend a lot of time at SGP and SWC events talking to riders in general conversation. What makes you think we only converse if there is a story to use? You say they ALL get on well but what do you think Batchelor , Schlein , Doyle thought about it, They probably thought I`m not in this clique . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) Philip do you know (and are able to say ) what BSI and the FIM jury member thought of the "joker " shenanigans at the final ? Were they ok with what went on ? Edited July 18, 2012 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 No one said Darcy was in perfect shape only that he was deemed fit to ride, which he was. And, let's face it, gating is not Darcy's greatest asset at the best of times. Not going to trawl through lodas of posts,but you did make a point of saying the Doc was pulling darcy's hand this way and that to no ill effects and that the Doc was a hand specialist.Now it seems he couldn't use his hand properly???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 You say they ALL get on well but what do you think Batchelor , Schlein , Doyle thought about it, They probably thought I`m not in this clique . Doyle? Is he the one doubling up in the PL? I would love to see him on the International stage - just to see how he copes with situations those riders have to experience all time. I have the greatest respect for all riders but some are international standard and some are not there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I would imagine Philip Rising attends speedway meetings as a represetative of speedway star and is known by the riders as such, and I fail to see how the riders know when he is in journalist mode or fan mode . Don`t think any riders make their feelings known about a fellow competitor and certainly not to the press . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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