spook Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 it really has nothing to do with if people like the rule or not..... the rule is there until it isnt and it isnt up to riders like Nicki to start putting others in danger here is the incident in question........ Nicki clearly starts a potentially serious domino effect at 14 seconds..... he wasnt by the fence.... he was right in the way of the racing line coming out of the bend and forcing Crump to come inside..... Jonsson was catching up at a rate of knots and both Crump and Jonsson had consequential decisions to make even if it is considered that the incident wasnt an issue..... and my personal opinion is that it was (we are not talking about Ermolenko style team riding here... or even Gollob team riding the Russian around)....... then by allowing that nonsense it gives the green light for it in the future ... which is exactly what it did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy M Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I would sincerely hope not. No-one will ever know for sure. But once Nicki Pedersen had done the evil deed, who could blame the Riders in the following Heats for trying to do the same to improve their positions in the Meeting. I'm afraid it left a nasty taste in my mouth. Well im afraid im gonna have to disagree with you there,some of the things holder and ward do arent exactly good or safe sometimes.i know what nicki can be like .but think the aussies would have done exactly the same.look at what holder did to bomber.and the trouble it caused in the pits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 If they exclude riders for "not racing" all they will do is pull onto the infield with an ef anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 it really has nothing to do with if people like the rule or not..... the rule is there until it isnt and it isnt up to riders like Nicki to start putting others in danger here is the incident in question........ Nicki clearly starts a potentially serious domino effect at 14 seconds..... he wasnt by the fence.... he was right in the way of the racing line coming out of the bend and forcing Crump to come inside..... Jonsson was catching up at a rate of knots and both Crump and Jonsson had consequential decisions to make even if it is considered that the incident wasnt an issue..... and my personal opinion is that it was (we are not talking about Ermolenko style team riding here... or even Gollob team riding the Russian around)....... then by allowing that nonsense it gives the green light for it in the future ... which is exactly what it did Why only show the last half a lap in the vid? Why not show the whole race in where Pedersen was constantly checking where Crump was and which lines were being ridden? Although even in the short video clup you've posted a link to, it's still evident he was doing this. I've never been a Pedersen fans (although my views are changing, he's a character the sport needs atm), and have seen him riding dangerously out of control, on this occasion it's my opion that he wasn't putting any of the riders or indeed himself in danger. As for giving the green light to future nonsense, the only nonsense is the rule itself and what Pedersen did last night was highlight that. If (and it should be) the rule is now thrown out of SWC, or at least the race off & final, Pedersen should be given the equivalent of a speedway knighthood! People who don't think the Aussies would have done the same need a reality check too. Crump was gutted Pedersen finished behind him, and repaid the favour in the very next heat, or do you believe Davy Watt really did have bike problems? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Well im afraid im gonna have to disagree with you there,some of the things holder and ward do arent exactly good or safe sometimes.i know what nicki can be like .but think the aussies would have done exactly the same.look at what holder did to bomber.and the trouble it caused in the pits. I agree,in fact Crumpy should have been aware than Nicki would try that and slowed down more as even had he been last that would have worked better. What Holder did to Bomber was nothing more than carrying too much speed into the bend,it wasn't a dirty Nicki type move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy M Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Why only show the last half a lap in the vid? Why not show the whole race in where Pedersen was constantly checking where Crump was and which lines were being ridden? Although even in the short video clup you've posted a link to, it's still evident he was doing this. I've never been a Pedersen fans (although my views are changing, he's a character the sport needs atm), and have seen him riding dangerously out of control, on this occasion it's my opion that he wasn't putting any of the riders or indeed himself in danger. As for giving the green light to future nonsense, the only nonsense is the rule itself and what Pedersen did last night was highlight that. If (and it should be) the rule is now thrown out of SWC, or at least the race off & final, Pedersen should be given the equivalent of a speedway knighthood! People who don't think the Aussies would have done the same need a reality check too. Crump was gutted Pedersen finished behind him, and repaid the favour in the very next heat, or do you believe Davy Watt really did have bike problems? Bravo what a brillaint post.couldnt of put it better myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Why only show the last half a lap in the vid? Why not show the whole race in where Pedersen was constantly checking where Crump was and which lines were being ridden? Although even in the short video clup you've posted a link to, it's still evident he was doing this. I've never been a Pedersen fans (although my views are changing, he's a character the sport needs atm), and have seen him riding dangerously out of control, on this occasion it's my opion that he wasn't putting any of the riders or indeed himself in danger. As for giving the green light to future nonsense, the only nonsense is the rule itself and what Pedersen did last night was highlight that. If (and it should be) the rule is now thrown out of SWC, or at least the race off & final, Pedersen should be given the equivalent of a speedway knighthood! People who don't think the Aussies would have done the same need a reality check too. Crump was gutted Pedersen finished behind him, and repaid the favour in the very next heat, or do you believe Davy Watt really did have bike problems? No I don't believe he had an Engine Failure - BUT - the precedence had been set by Pedersen. The 'Joker' is a Joke - it should be laughed out of our Sport. It ruins the Credibility and the Integrity of Speedway - it also encourages dishonesty and gamesmanship as we saw last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Why only show the last half a lap in the vid? Why not show the whole race in where Pedersen was constantly checking where Crump was and which lines were being ridden? Although even in the short video clup you've posted a link to, it's still evident he was doing this. I've never been a Pedersen fans (although my views are changing, he's a character the sport needs atm), and have seen him riding dangerously out of control, on this occasion it's my opion that he wasn't putting any of the riders or indeed himself in danger. As for giving the green light to future nonsense, the only nonsense is the rule itself and what Pedersen did last night was highlight that. If (and it should be) the rule is now thrown out of SWC, or at least the race off & final, Pedersen should be given the equivalent of a speedway knighthood! People who don't think the Aussies would have done the same need a reality check too. Crump was gutted Pedersen finished behind him, and repaid the favour in the very next heat, or do you believe Davy Watt really did have bike problems? You'd think the way some are carrying on. All these Aussies will be bestowed with sainthoods..Come on! Don't make me laugh... They got outridden and outsmarted simple as that! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 If they exclude riders for "not racing" all they will do is pull onto the infield with an ef anyway. It's what i said.Or one of the examples,but spook say's you can check that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy M Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 You'd think the way some are carrying on. All these Aussies will be bestowed with sainthoods..Come on! Don't make me laugh... They got outridden and outsmarted simple as that! Here here jacques. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 You'd think the way some are carrying on. All these Aussies will be bestowed with sainthoods..Come on! Don't make me laugh... They got outridden and outsmarted simple as that! Well said!!! All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 No I don't believe he had an Engine Failure - BUT - the precedence had been set by Pedersen. The 'Joker' is a Joke - it should be laughed out of our Sport. It ruins the Credibility and the Integrity of Speedway - it also encourages dishonesty and gamesmanship as we saw last night. Isn't gamesmanship part of sport? There was nothing dishonest in what Pedersen did, he was simply using the rules, or gamesmanship if you prefer to try to help his country win. Who's to say Crump wasn't happy to sit behind Pedersen and not try his best to beat him, same difference if you ask me. But you're correct, the precedence had been set by Pedersen as he was so hilariously blatant about what he'd done, and as I effectively keep saying, well done that man for showing how uncredible the rule it is for the sport. Sport shouldn't be about rewarding losers, and thankfully in this instance it didn't have a bearing on the overall result. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 No I don't believe he had an Engine Failure - BUT - the precedence had been set by Pedersen. The 'Joker' is a Joke - it should be laughed out of our Sport. It ruins the Credibility and the Integrity of Speedway - it also encourages dishonesty and gamesmanship as we saw last night. There is credibility and integrity in Speedway? Thats a new one, I know there is dishonesty and gamesmanship though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miadfa8 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Well, all this comment about what Nicki did I find sanctimonious. Can't remember seeing any comment about riders "shutting off" in league racing when they are in front of their team mate when they are wearing the tablecloth to gain an 8-1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 All this criticism of NP and the Danes, people are forgetting one thing. The stupid joke ruling was penalising the Danes for winning races, and benefiting those teams not good enough to win races. So if the Danes ensured this unsporting rule could not easily be applied, then fair play to them, and as someone else already pointed out, the Aussies would have done the same, and did in the following race, and I seem to recall the Aussies, although not quite so blatantly, did do the same last season in the SWC and ensured a rider finished last to enforce the joker if memory serves me correctly. Well done NP for outsmarting Crump. Now, on to Holder. I was a big fan of Holder, but over the last month Holder as shown the fact he is a sore loser. The last GP he accused two other riders of bailing out too easily, in the Kings Lynn event he accused Harris of bailing out too easily when it was clear for all to see he had swiped his wheel away, a trend developing here with Noddy and accusing other riders of bailing. Then last night he deliberately spat out his water directly at the camera after they lost. All very childish and pathetic stuff, which is disappointing because I had started to respect Holder as a racer and how he came across as being professional. Mr Shovlar on here defended him, but I guarantee if he rode for any other club than Poole, Mr Shovlar would have hanged, drawn and quartered him. As for Sweden direct to the final, ridiculous, in what other sport are the hosts directly given a free pass to the final? Although, I suspect Sweden might have qualified on merit anyway. But with the speedway WC only hosted amongst a select few nations, you can't give a free golden ticket to those same few nations every year, unfair on the Americans and Aussies who are never given a chance to host the SWC. But overall, a fascinating SWC, I thought Team GB did better than most of us expected them too, the Danes looked superb in the Semi and the Final. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheekee Raylee Monkee Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) Denmark's prospects really do look good for the future thanks to one Erik Gundersen's Training Methods. That is the same Erik Gundersen who offered to help out with training British Riders and whose offer, as far as I know, was ignored by the powers that be. :sad: As they did when a similar offer was made by a certain Ivan Mauger........ Edited July 15, 2012 by Cheekee Raylee Monkee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 No I don't believe he had an Engine Failure - BUT - the precedence had been set by Pedersen. The 'Joker' is a Joke - it should be laughed out of our Sport. It ruins the Credibility and the Integrity of Speedway - it also encourages dishonesty and gamesmanship as we saw last night. I thought Batchelor had set the precedent last year or is my memory playing tricks on me? Agree with your second point though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I think someone must have had a word in Nigel Pearson's ear last night.After the 2nd race of slowing down to concede positions he immediately labelled it " a farce" yet 5 minutes later he described it as "great entertainment for the newcomers".Not sure the guys in charge at Sky will won't the Speedway World Cup final being described as a farce but to be fair to Nigel this time he did call it right 1st time of asking. A bit like his moaning about the referee in the first few heats for not bringing all four back quicker at the start, then after the break when Keith handed back to him he was backtracking pointing out it was the Clerk of the Course that decided when to send the riders back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Pity poor Jason Crump was not smart enough to see what Nikki Pedersen was up to , then he could have made sure he did not pass him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I think someone must have had a word in Nigel Pearson's ear last night.After the 2nd race of slowing down to concede positions he immediately labelled it " a farce" yet 5 minutes later he described it as "great entertainment for the newcomers".Not sure the guys in charge at Sky will won't the Speedway World Cup final being described as a farce but to be fair to Nigel this time he did call it right 1st time of asking. Welll said, and well said Nigel. Calling a spade a spade and not sitting on the fence. Hopefully there will be changes next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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