iris123 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) Have a 5 team final in Pardubice, seed the Czechs followed by 4 qualifiers Crap....i understand there are financial implications here,but i just think speedway is getting ridiculous with all this seeding lark.Fully understand it with lesser competitions,but with the top meetings particularly the SWC it will be absolutely farcical to seed the Czechs into the final.It is bad enough if we always have to have an Italian or Croatian(Pavliv basically) etc in the world championship....*shakes head* even worse that so far it is deemed neccesary to have a undeserving token Brit in Let's not get too far away from the fact there was some very good speedway tonight.Well done to the riders and track staff for that- Edited July 14, 2012 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Have a 5 team final in Pardubice, seed the Czechs followed by 4 qualifiers  Not a bad idea  Although I'm not sure what would happen the year after back to 4 teams or hold it a Pardubice each year? Shift the Golden Helmet to the same week... mmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 He didn't spit at the camera. The camera would have been yards away from him. And don't you think the cmeraman might have asked him to even do it to capture that moment? Have to let the anti-Antipodeans have their usual whinge, Steve. Never let the truth get in the way of a chance to slag off Aussies. Â Fine collection of Chips displayed by so many juvenile forum members. :rofl:Â Turned out to be a great meeting I thought, track improved and we saw some great racing and an insight into what the future has to offer. The joker shennaigans were brilliant, hopefully the stupid rule has shot itself in the foot, and will be consigned to the bin, but it kept the tension going. Â Well done to the Danes, they were the best team tonight and deserved their win. Great to see the team singing proudly their national anthem too, and enjoying their champagne, while the runners up had Aussie whine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Â Ok, they are perfectly sensible rules. The sport is miles ahead of the rest for making such ridiculous rules look fantastically entertaining, better?! Â I lie, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 If GB were in place of the Danes and Bomber did what Nicki did it would be a different story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 And of course what i was saying about a good team and team manager getting more out of riders than was expected,you see the evidence right there over the past week.Hardly anyone was expecting those sort of performances from the young Danes.They rode above expectation........if only we had a manager or riders that could do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 The joker rule is aptly named I think. Just get rid of the thing. Â And, if riders are not at racing speed and are not riding to win points, then exclude them, that would put a stop to any tactical riding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 As a "neutral" I thought that considering the circumstances tonight saw a good evening's entertainment. It had been raining all day so to see the track in such a condition was little short of a miracle. Top marks to the track staff. Well done to all the riders and to Denmark for winning. The cream rose to the top in the end. Â Shame that there were so many unsold seats in the stadium. Having been to Gorzow last year I was expecting a sell-out, but it was not to be. Â One final thank you goes again to the stadium staff. Sweden has had just ss wet a summer as England and even after 24 hours of rain, unlike at Silverstone, the soft standing car parks were perfectly fit for purpose. Â That's 2 thoroughly enjoyable SWC events in the last 2 years. Roll on Prague next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 If GB were in place of the Danes and Bomber did what Nicki did it would be a different story. Â Not for me it wouldn't - bad Sportsmanship is bad Sportsmanship whether you are from Denmark, Great Britain or Timbuktoo. :angry: Â To elaborate - I don't like the Tactical Ride in League Meetings either - whether it be for my Team or against my Team. Â Just so you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 The joker rule is aptly named I think. Just get rid of the thing. Â And, if riders are not at racing speed and are not riding to win points, then exclude them, that would put a stop to any tactical riding. Â Why? They are doing their best for the team. I don't understand the outrage at riders slowing to prevent a joker in the latter stages of the meeting. Â What they are doing is trying to win the meeting. They are not throwing anything. Why shouldn't there be tactical riding? What is WRONG with tactical riding? Â There is a rule in place. A team 6 points behind can put in a TS and Joker. Sucha scenario can swing 6 points in favour of a team that might otherwise have scored nothing in that race. Trying to prevent that is trying to do your best for the team. It is not cheating anything. It is not throwing anything. It's doing all you can to get your side to win the meeting. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 If GB were in place of the Danes and Bomber did what Nicki did it would be a different story. If Bomber did it he could get away with it as we would just think it was another engine failure 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Not for me it wouldn't - bad Sportsmanship is bad Sportsmanship whether you are from Denmark, Great Britain or Timbuktoo. :angry: Â Â The tactical ride etc is rubbish. Pure nonsense. Trying to limit its effect is a perfectly valid tactic for as long as it is in place. Not bad sportsmanship at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 I dont think the Joker is any more popular with the riders than it is with many fans. Â The "blame" for the rule rests solely with the FIM. Â Who must also expect the blame for the injuries which are going to be sustained by some poor rider who one day finds two riders immediately in front of him suddenly stopping. Â Potentially it's an extremely dangerous rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Fabulous meeting, Okay Denmark used a bit of tactical gamesmanship, but I don't think the other teams, could hand on heart, say honestly, they would not have done the same thing had they been in that position, But you have to admit the two Michael's (Jensen and Jepson Jensen) did a brilliant job for Denmark, and I look forward to seeing them in the GP'S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 If GB were in place of the Danes and Bomber did what Nicki did it would be a different story. Â Wrong. Â Cheating is cheating. Â Id be ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Denmark are deserved winners, but it's such a shame that we're all talking about the joker. It's well named, as it makes a joke of the sport. It's time for it to go from all forms of speedway. In domestic speedway, we need to get back to tac subs with perhaps a team leading by 8pts or more as the start point, with a proviso that it can't be used by a heat leader in heat 8. Â The Swedish League does fine without the joker, so why not in the UK? Â If the joker is the answer, then it's a really stupid question 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Don't give a tommy twit who won it eventually. If the FIM don't dump this friggin joker garbage and let it be 4v4v4v4 then where the sport is heading Christ only knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 No joker in polish league either get rid of it in speedway at any level be it league racing or international. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Wrong. Â Cheating is cheating. Â Id be ashamed. Â It wasn't cheating. No more than, say, a football team going a goal up and then sitting back and defending the lead. Or a cricket team just running a single in the final ball of an over when they could have got two so that the best batsman faces the bowler again. Â There is absolutely no way that was cheating. Â Why be ashamed of trying to get your side to win the meeting? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) It wasn't cheating. No more than, say, a football team going a goal up and then sitting back and defending the lead. Or a cricket team just running a single in the final ball of an over when they could have got two so that the best batsman faces the bowler again. Â There is absolutely no way that was cheating. Â Why be ashamed of trying to get your side to win the meeting? Don't think your examples are the same really.What they are showing is tactics within fair rules.What we are seeing now is tactics to stop an unfair rule being implemented or try to get it used.The rule is unfair as it helps worse teams and punishes the best team.Crap.Scrap it Edited July 14, 2012 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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