builderbob Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 its time they threw out the joker in the world cup, how is it fair the team that really came 3rd gets top place, and straight through to final. i all so think a reserve should be allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Quite right if you are having a world championship then it should be the best team wins off scratch. . No other sport has world championships with handicaps or jokers. speedway does not have it in GP's or when they had the worlds best pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Hate the joker. It should be a straight forward competition and the team getting the most points wins. Not so sure about the reserve because of what's been said about riders not having a good night pretending to have something wrong with them so a reserve can take their place, but 100% disagree with the stupid joker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) I've been banging on about this for years - in the World Cup - for Speedway read 'It's a Knockout'. All we need is Stuart Hall. Makes our Sport look cheap and nasty. Everything in Speedway these days is geared towards contrived Results. Tactical Doubles, Play Offs, the Grand Prix System where the top eight Riders are GUARANTEED a place the following year and the 'Joker' in the World Cup. For heavens sake - Poland won the World Cup having played their Joker, Australia lost because they never got six Points behind. Where is the fairness or credibility in that. Edited July 9, 2012 by The White Knight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Anyone watching tbe racing we have seen in the SWC will not be thinking its a knockout, they'll be thinking bloody great racing. I don't like the rule but it's a minor irritation in an otherwise phenomenal competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Anyone watching tbe racing we have seen in the SWC will not be thinking its a knockout, they'll be thinking bloody great racing. I don't like the rule but it's a minor irritation in an otherwise phenomenal competition. Actually SCB you are right. The Racing was so good that the Result could have stood on it's own - without this 'Joker' nonsense. I don't think it made any difference to the final Result in this case but it spoiled a cracking Meeting for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Remove the joker and bring back reserve (max 3 rides allowed to avoid situation when Gollob is on reserve and every time against strongest opponents ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Does anyone support this stupid cheap stunt of a rule that clearly devalues the competition and makes a laughing stock out of speedway? Thought not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCaptain Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Remove the joker and bring back reserve (max 3 rides allowed to avoid situation when Gollob is on reserve and every time against strongest opponents ) Instead of a reserve, a substitute. A common practice in sport. If a rider is performing badly, replace that rider with the substitute, with the risk that a later injury would force a team to ride 'short'. The substitute rider could only take the rides of the rider he replaced, and the rider replaced could not return to the team. Possibly, two substitutes. This would favour teams with larger squads, or better squads, but that is what happens in football and rugby, without complaint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) I have always thought the Joker a bloody stupid idea but one or two things have to be said for it. It certainly creates excitement and controversy during a meeting. Whining on about teams who use it getting an advantage over the opposition makes for good talking points and discussion and gets the blood up for the next meeting with the degenerates who gain from that. It's not at all like the stupid double point rule in EL speedway, which is a major embarrassment, as it actually benefits a team due to the fact it can be used tactically whereas the moronic rule in EL stands or falls by whoever is out in the next couple of heats being capable of benefiting from the rule. Should it stay or should it go? Good question as it does have it's good points even if it makes the sport look like 'It's A Knockout'. My gut feeling is leave it in as it can create incredible drama like it has in the last two SWC meetings unlike the EL rule which is just so Mickey Mouse and rarely benefits a team that falls 10 behind whilst replacing a perfectly good tac-sub rule. It doesn't alter my opinion that it's stupid but for all it's stupidity it seems to do a good job of adding to the excitement in SWC. Perhaps if it was not called a Joker? Edited July 10, 2012 by pandorum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Get rid of it................simples.............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I does give the impression of being "It'saknockout-ish" but if it adds to the spectacle 'What the Hell' just leave it. Maybe bring in Sarah Ferguson to flash the joker cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 The "Joker" should be scrapped as should TRs in the leagues. If you aint good enough to win on your own merit then so be it. Atleast last night in event 2 all four teams were able to use their respective Jokers, this made it a fairer meeting. I feel that if they are going to keep a double point rule, every team should have one at the start of the meeting and can use it once whenever they wish. While we are talking of mickey mouse rules, what about GB lastnight being able to put their highest scorer in the lowest scorers place AND on double points. Only to then be able to come out and take his own ride in the highest scoring heat too. THAT is a complete joke® heat 16 should be the cut off for any substitution or double points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Crew Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 As above, if its here to stay then give one to all the teams and allow it upto each team manager when they use it, ie. Heat One and try and get a flier or gamble and wait till Heat 20... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 The "Joker" should be scrapped as should TRs in the leagues. If you aint good enough to win on your own merit then so be it. Atleast last night in event 2 all four teams were able to use their respective Jokers, this made it a fairer meeting. I feel that if they are going to keep a double point rule, every team should have one at the start of the meeting and can use it once whenever they wish. While we are talking of mickey mouse rules, what about GB lastnight being able to put their highest scorer in the lowest scorers place AND on double points. Only to then be able to come out and take his own ride in the highest scoring heat too. THAT is a complete joke® heat 16 should be the cut off for any substitution or double points. Exactly. If it was any team but GB that pulled that stroke this thread would have reached ten pages by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 The "Joker" should be scrapped as should TRs in the leagues. If you aint good enough to win on your own merit then so be it. Atleast last night in event 2 all four teams were able to use their respective Jokers, this made it a fairer meeting. I feel that if they are going to keep a double point rule, every team should have one at the start of the meeting and can use it once whenever they wish. While we are talking of mickey mouse rules, what about GB lastnight being able to put their highest scorer in the lowest scorers place AND on double points. Only to then be able to come out and take his own ride in the highest scoring heat too. THAT is a complete joke® heat 16 should be the cut off for any substitution or double points. Well said snyper - I 100% agree with you. Very well put. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 That "Mickey Mouse" rule also applies in Polish League speedways nominated races... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 More of a concern than the joker is having no reserve ,it's a matter of time before we have a pile up in a early heat and a team loses a rider and the meeting is ruined and a teams hopes gone . Each team should have a reserve who can only take a max of two rides at anytime in the meeting, so not only them a chane to replace the injured rider also stops the kind of stunt the poles pulled in the final the other year ..i expect it won't change thou intill something like the above happens . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Totally agree with the idea of no jokers, but feel the need for some form of replacements when a rider get hurt. ( Poland were lucky when Janowski walked away after last saturday's crash) My suggestion would be to have 2 reserves, each allowed a max of 2 rides each. (this would stop teams putting their top men in these positions) but would cover any misfortune and stop race manipulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 There should be reserve no questions about it especially since it's very dangerous sport and injuries are common in don't know what they were thinking when they came out with that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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