Stoke Sign Lambert (that's Simon, Not Robert!)

[Baldy]

Your spot on, the only reason Simon Lambert signed for Stoke is because he got dropped by Leicester, he will bin Stoke the minute a PL comes in for him, Vasey is suppose to be all for developing riders in the NL, well i don't see any going on at Stoke at the minute, no sooner Lambert was dropped from his PL team, he signed him, i don't see any developing Stoke in that.

Quite interesting comments on your posts. To keep Stoke competitive and me watching they had to sign a rider that was of a heat leader standard and as you say there are not too many about. Rambo would not of been my ideal man as he has grown past the NL but he needs a ride and we need a leader. Strange that you forgot that the NL has a 40 points total limit, for someone that takes an interest in the league that's a poor mistake to make. You are saying Gary Gottham has been around for a few years and only averaging 4 and drop him and striking at Stoke for letting Jamie go, who has been around for a few years and is averaging in the 5 point range this year. Could say that Jamie has more potential but who can say who will bloom late and who will not. Stoke have a 16 year old lad at reserve so that is some developing would you not say? The NL suffers from the problem that different teams have different agendas. All teams have to be competitive if they want the public in and paying at the door. Those that have teams in other leagues are a little more understanding as they see riders developing for their sides, plus the NL match tends to be tagged along with the "main" feature. Stoke, for me have it about right to keep me going along and with Tony they have one of the best developing tools any team could have; someone would knows speedway inside and out who is out there riding with the younger lads and also helping with bike pre etc. If you asked Ash Birks,(and I don't know him) he would most likely say that people like Tony are helping out with bringing him on as a speedway rider.

[montie]

Quite interesting comments on your posts. To keep Stoke competitive and me watching they had to sign a rider that was of a heat leader standard and as you say there are not too many about. Rambo would not of been my ideal man as he has grown past the NL but he needs a ride and we need a leader.

 

. If you asked Ash Birks,(and I don't know him) he would most likely say that people like Tony are helping out with bringing him on as a speedway rider.

 

Utter rubbish,Tony A wont make a rats ass of difference to Ash Birks,Ashley has two things going for him,Huge Talent and sheer determination,as to Simon Lambert back in the NL,my view is its a joke, Simon is way to good for this league and should have sat back at waited for a PL spot instead of wearing his engines out scoring max after max in what is a weaker NL

[21st century heathen]

1) No it is not.

 

2) They do not get paid £10 a point and 10p a mile in the Premier League and Elite League.

 

3) Your absurd post illustrates that National League has lost its way.

 

4) Simon Lambert is an outstanding rider but to have to drop yet another rider to fit him in is just so wrong.

 

5) It is a development league and you are deluding yourself if you think there are a large number of riders waiting in the wings. There are not.

 

6) We are beginning to see the demise of National League speedway.

 

1) Yes it is. The riders get paid to do a job.

 

2) Of course not. PL and EL are a higher level and the money riders can earn reflects that, just like many a profession. Do Premier League footballers get paid only what a Division 2 player earns?

 

3) In what way?

 

4) No he's not, otherwise he wouldn't have been struggling at PL level and wouldn't have been dropped. He's a very good rider at NL level but has not progressed beyond average PL rider at his best. There's nothing wrong with that - it's his level.

 

5) I suggested a small surplus is no bad thing not that there are a large number waiting the wings.

 

6) Nonsense.

 

One final question. Who should Stoke have signed as a number 1 to replace the unfortunate Richie Worrall?

[Baldy]

Utter rubbish,Tony A wont make a rats ass of difference to Ash Birks,Ashley has two things going for him,Huge Talent and sheer determination,as to Simon Lambert back in the NL,my view is its a joke, Simon is way to good for this league and should have sat back at waited for a PL spot instead of wearing his engines out scoring max after max in what is a weaker NL

I thought someone would say that the Tony remark was rubbish. I only put it in as that is actually what Ash said on the dvds done at Stokes practice this year. So if Ash has said it, must be true. Agreed that Simon is too good but I suppose for him it's better to ride than not to.

[Fozzie4388]

Seems Adam Wrathall as signed for Stoke Seems strange as i thought he'd walk straight back in the Scunthorpe side when he got fit again.

[TMW]

What happened in the PL for him then? i take it it couldnt have gone that well? he always looked a class above at NL.

 

Having seen Simon at Leicester most weeks I would say the whole Lions set up didn't work for him not the other way round. I don't know if he turned down any other offers at the beginning of the season, to go to Leicester, but I do hope not. Simon has always struck me as a team man. Other riders such as Birks, Worrall ® etc strike me as more individual riders.

Every rider that enters the NL can't be the next world champ!!!!!!! but if they entertain as they go then why knock.

 

Utter rubbish,Tony A wont make a rats ass of difference to Ash Birks,Ashley has two things going for him,Huge Talent and sheer determination.

I thought someone would say that the Tony remark was rubbish. I only put it in as that is actually what Ash said on the dvds done at Stokes practice this year. So if Ash has said it, must be true. Agreed that Simon is too good but I suppose for him it's better to ride than not to.

 

That made me chuckle

 

I await the response with baited breath

Edited July 11, 2012 by TMW

[Greg]

Adam signing was a bit of a odd one as i thought he was in the Scunni team ?

[bullet]

Adam is still in the declared team and officially Max Clegg is Number 8 but due to injuries he has been in the team alongside tommy fenwick.

If adam came back in then one of these would have to be dropped so can only think Rob and Stuart knowing this is a development season see this as a chance for adam to race a different track and still give all scunnys 3pt riders the rest of the season without having to drop one of them

[mouncers monkeymask]

whats a rider to do if a PL team drop them in favour of a foreign rider ? Retire or take time out ? I think any rider like in Simons case should be allowed to drop down to keep racing , a lot of young (under 25) have taken the chance to progress and have a go at PL racing then get dropped and be forced to pack up . For several years riders were forced to pack up or sit it out for a time because they had improved their average on the previous year and couldn't be fitted back into a team and lost from the sport , at least by dropping into the NL it gives them a chance to keep sharp and gives some of the NL riders a chance to beat someone who would be considered a big scalp

[Roger MARTIN]

Quite interesting comments on your posts. To keep Stoke competitive and me watching they had to sign a rider that was of a heat leader standard and as you say there are not too many about. Rambo would not of been my ideal man as he has grown past the NL but he needs a ride and we need a leader. Strange that you forgot that the NL has a 40 points total limit, for someone that takes an interest in the league that's a poor mistake to make. You are saying Gary Gottham has been around for a few years and only averaging 4 and drop him and striking at Stoke for letting Jamie go, who has been around for a few years and is averaging in the 5 point range this year. Could say that Jamie has more potential but who can say who will bloom late and who will not. Stoke have a 16 year old lad at reserve so that is some developing would you not say? The NL suffers from the problem that different teams have different agendas. All teams have to be competitive if they want the public in and paying at the door. Those that have teams in other leagues are a little more understanding as they see riders developing for their sides, plus the NL match tends to be tagged along with the "main" feature. Stoke, for me have it about right to keep me going along and with Tony they have one of the best developing tools any team could have; someone would knows speedway inside and out who is out there riding with the younger lads and also helping with bike pre etc. If you asked Ash Birks,(and I don't know him) he would most likely say that people like Tony are helping out with bringing him on as a speedway rider.

 

I don't take an interest in the NL, just riders that i admire in the NL like Jaimie Pickard and Paul Starke, i support Plymouth but would like to see teams with ex riders in them do well, i just think Vasey was a little to quick in getting rid of Jaimie, but knowing the lad he will bounce back, like he always do, i have nothing against Stoke going for the league, but don't let people think you are a development team like Mr Vasey would let you think, then bin a rider who is having a bad spell, and bring in a rider who should not be in that league, when he is dropped by a PL team, having Tony in the team is a very good thing, but will riders like Lambert listen to anything he says, i don't know but he could learn a lot from someone like him, but we had two experenced riders at Plymouth, and i know from talking to some of the younger riders, they did there own thing and were never helped, and all the crap that Bowden said about helping to bring young riders on having them in the team was all talk, just to make people think thats why they were in the team, when we all know why they were in the team, everything Paul Starke did was down to him and his dad, and i think Jaimie Pickard did the same.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Devildodger

[Derek 613]

I don't take an interest in the NL, just riders that i admire in the NL like Jaimie Pickard and Paul Starke, i support Plymouth but would like to see teams with ex riders in them do well, i just think Vasey was a little to quick in getting rid of Jaimie, but knowing the lad he will bounce back, like he always do, i have nothing against Stoke going for the league, but don't let people think you are a development team like Mr Vasey would let you think, then bin a rider who is having a bad spell, and bring in a rider who should not be in that league, when he is dropped by a PL team, having Tony in the team is a very good thing, but will riders like Lambert listen to anything he says, i don't know but he could learn a lot from someone like him.

 

What you are missing is that Simon Lambert has been brought in to replace Richie Worrall not Jaimie. Unfortunately Jaimie has been caught up in this because of the points limit. I do not remember Malcolm saying Stoke are a development team I do remember him saying that Stoke want to win some silverware. There is a development side to the team though in Ben Reade, Liam Carr and Ross Walter to name three of the team all three pointers at the start of the season how many are Stoke supposed to have??? Stoke have now signed Adam Wrathall another youngster what really do you want?

Edited July 11, 2012 by Derek 613

[Skodaman]

No it is not. They do not get paid £10 a point and 10p a mile in the Premier League and Elite League. Your absurd post illustrates that National League has lost its way. Simon Lambert is an outstanding rider but to have to drop yet another rider to fit him in is just so wrong. It is a development league and you are deluding yourself if you think there are a large number of riders waiting in the wings. There are not.

 

We are beginning to see the demise of National League speedway.

 

Lambert was dropped by Leicester to make way for a rider to replace Simon Neilsen and Lewis Blackbird in the same was as Pickars was dropped. Simon has struggled a bit at Leicester but he has scored some vital points when needed. He was removed as part of the averages jigsaw!!

[wightlink flyer]

Vasey is suppose to be all for developing riders in the NL, well i don't see any going on at Stoke at the minute,

 

Stoke have a 16 year old lad at reserve so that is some developing would you not say?

 

Must admit, I do find the way Stoke have set out their team as s bit strange.

They have 3 x 3 point riders in their team....5 if you count the 2 that have already left.

They therefore do have a choice as to what positions they put them in.

Rhys Naylor was never gonna rack up point in the main body of the team.

I thought he was "taking one" for the team until Ben Reade moved up...but no.

His only "development" was when he was replaced.

Cue Ross Walter....wins the Stoke "day of opportunity"...doesnt get picked for the side...eventually gets a call up when Berwick is dropped / leaves and is now riding in the main body of the team.

 

Whilst all this is going on...Ben Reade is racking up huge points at reserve.

Eventually he will have to move into the main body...but surely, he should have moved long before now.....remember..Stoke do have that choice if they wanted to.

Naylor could have had a stint at reserve, to see if he was up to NL racing...and then possibly 2 riders could have been "developed" instead of just Ben Reade ??

[roguetrader]

1) Yes it is. The riders get paid to do a job.

 

2) Of course not. PL and EL are a higher level and the money riders can earn reflects that, just like many a profession. Do Premier League footballers get paid only what a Division 2 player earns?

 

3) In what way?

 

4) No he's not, otherwise he wouldn't have been struggling at PL level and wouldn't have been dropped. He's a very good rider at NL level but has not progressed beyond average PL rider at his best. There's nothing wrong with that - it's his level.

 

5) I suggested a small surplus is no bad thing not that there are a large number waiting the wings.

 

6) Nonsense.

 

One final question. Who should Stoke have signed as a number 1 to replace the unfortunate Richie Worrall?

 

You obviously think you know what you are talking about when in reality you are far from the truth. I cant be arsed to debate your nonsense.

[MrMungo]

You obviously think you know what you are talking about when in reality you are far from the truth. I cant be arsed to debate your nonsense.

Do you work for BT's customer service?

 

Adam is still in the declared team and officially Max Clegg is Number 8 but due to injuries he has been in the team alongside tommy fenwick.

If adam came back in then one of these would have to be dropped so can only think Rob and Stuart knowing this is a development season see this as a chance for adam to race a different track and still give all scunnys 3pt riders the rest of the season without having to drop one of them

Fenwick actually isn't in the declared line-up. He's just been in to cover for injuries.

Hart is in the declared side, but hasn't ridden for a while. Are they expecting him to return?

Edited July 11, 2012 by MrMungo

[bullet]

Fenwick actually isn't in the declared line-up. He's just been in to cover for injuries.

Hart is in the declared side, but hasn't ridden for a while. Are they expecting him to return?

 

I would expect the redeclared lineup will have Hart removed and both Tommy and Max in the 1-7 with either no number 8 or adam kirby at number 8.

 

all the 3pt riders are improving so would be hard to pick one to drop to bring adam back in so as far as scunny are concerned its as win win loaning him to stoke for the rest of the season

[Roger MARTIN]

What you are missing is that Simon Lambert has been brought in to replace Richie Worrall not Jaimie. Unfortunately Jaimie has been caught up in this because of the points limit. I do not remember Malcolm saying Stoke are a development team I do remember him saying that Stoke want to win some silverware. There is a development side to the team though in Ben Reade, Liam Carr and Ross Walter to name three of the team all three pointers at the start of the season how many are Stoke supposed to have??? Stoke have now signed Adam Wrathall another youngster what really do you want?

 

You are a Malcolm Vasey fan going by your post, good on you, no Mr Vasey never said that Stoke were a Development side, but was critical of teams like Plymouth for not Developing there team, and i agree with him about that, because by having a very top heavy side, Plymouth were never going to win against the more balanced sides in the league, so your telling me that if Jaimie was doing well he would not have dropped him, but it was just that because of the points limit the lad was unlucky to get dropped, the only reason riders like Liam Carr Ross Walter are in the side is because the team were so top heavy, that's all he could sign that would fit in, he is in the same situation has all stand alone teams, they need to win things to keep the supporters happy, he was one of the biggest supporters of bringing the point limit down to stop other teams having big average riders in the league so it was used more like a Development league, so what does he do, bring in some of the biggest average riders in the league, this is just an opinion, like yours.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Devildodger

[Derek 613]

Stoke's team has been ratified by the BSPA which has to be good news for Stoke supporters

[norwichkev]

Stoke's team has been ratified by the BSPA which has to be good news for Stoke supporters

Never likely to be a problem, Malcolm is very cute on the laws of the sport and has been helped considerably by the freakish weather this year.

 

Great move for Stoke and will be good to see Simon back at Mildy, don't think he was a failure at Leicester at all, leaving on a 5.22 average.

 

Overall it serves to highlight some stupids that have been highlighted on this forum that should have been sorted many years ago

 

Only thing I can't work out is how, and I am sure there are plenty out there who know far more than I do, if a PL rider comes in on a double up average how he is not on a 10.44 ave? I heard some nonsense that apparently 2012 PL averages don't count - surely even Speedway cannot have such a daft ruling as that average reflects current form better than anything else.

 

Not just applying to Stoke, but the unfortunate part of the way things work is that Jamie is now marooned on a high average due to 1 meeting short while halfway through a season due to 1 meeting too few - not sure how this is good for young Brits or for Jamie.

 

Ben Reade still at reserve and getting 7 rides each week........ we have had the luxury before as have Buxton and many others but it doesn,t make it right. Well done to Ben after being shafted at the back end of last year has come back well and getting excellent results this season. Total nonsense how this is allowed to happen, and those at the top table including Mr.Vasey deserve to be shot on this stupid alone. Forget the hand wringing "not me guv, it's them others" time for promoters to get their act together - none of it is rocket science - maybe the league should provide free back scratchers from e-bay to cut out the current need.

 

Kev

Edited July 13, 2012 by norwichkev

[greyhoundp]

Yes, when people congratulate Stoke on "Developing" Ben Reade it is often forgotten that late last season he was cast aside for Tim Nobes, also i would agree Jamie Pickard has been shafted in that he is 1 meeting short of a new lower average, nothing new in that i dont suppose, but i thought Jamie served you well enough to have deserved a little bit better than that.

 

I am not aiming at riders here, more at managements way to treat people <riders>, yes i realise Stoke,Mildenhall,IOW, Buxton need to be winning to retain there crowd levels, but one more away meeting for jamie to get a new lower average, was that TO much to ask, and the least he deserved ?. In a way i hope this comes back to bite you.

 

Lambert for Worall, is pretty much like for like, though on current form Richie would likely out perform Lambert, in the NL they appear evenly matched, Wrathall for Pickard again experience wise like for like, but points wise i would have Jamie over Adam every day, and It appears to be a Top end consolidation for a mid Team loss. any way, we will see next weekend, weather permitting when we visit you.

Edited July 13, 2012 by greyhoundp