vog Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 So, Stoke have re-signed Simon Lambert in place of the unfortunate Richie Worrall. Due to averages, we have also had to let Jaimie Pickard go, with a replacement to be named soon Looks like we will probably line up: 1) Rambo 2) New Signing (Up to 5.42) 3) Atkin 4) Walter 5) Birks 6) Carr 7) Reade Even more top heavy, but glad changes were made before Ben's new average. Will make for some interesting meetings, and some very interesting heat 13's and 15's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Top quality signing. Couldnt of got anyone better i dont think. Only prob is wot sort of riders are about with an 5.42 average. You will be strong in heat 13 and 15 but you was richie so no different really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Isherwood p'haps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Isherwood p'haps? Doubtful, not sure how he is doing after his back injury last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) Wasn't expecting that when I woke this morning. Initial thoughts without my coffee is it makes us stronger.....how can i say that when one of the best developing riders in the country drops out of your side?.(that's Richie not Jamie) Well we end up with ( when Ben moves up) 5 riders of average 5 and above and two reserves who at present averaging 5 and 3.81. With the fantastic rise of Ben, people seem to have missed that Liam is a fine young prospect who will not let points go easily and Ross who is not that far of the pace. Jamie was really struggling this year and has banged himself about a bit with falls which could of knocked his confidence. The other option would of been to go with two 5'ish ponters and drop Ross out. Now Jamie could of turned his season around but that's a could be and I don't have crystal balls but I don't think so. Who is the last rider? I have no idea but you don't make these changes without having someone lined up......do you? O forgot to mention but I'm sure all knew. Richie hasn't ridden a league match for us this year so we (in the league really haven't felt his presence) Edited July 9, 2012 by Steeplejack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builderbob Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 well thats another young british rider that stoke have thrown on the scrapheap, cant see anyone signing him on his average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Good signing i wonder who the other rider will be i hope Simon gets back in the Premier League soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 If Jamie had just started out then I would tend to agree with you but he has been around the speedway quite a bit now and last year was getting rides at reserve in the Prem. This year it just has not happened for him; I suspect through a bit of motor trouble and a few falls which has knocked his confidence. You have said the problem; and it's not Stoke; it's the anarchic way that speedway averages are worked out. His now average( one that he is able to ride to if fit and confident, and even increase) from last year will stop people signing him because he ( at present) cannot achieve it. A rolling average should reflect his and every other riders ability now and not want he did last year....or in some cases the year before that. Not Stoke, system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathbymilkfloat Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 rambo must be coming back to stoke on a good wage,as iv heard through the grapevine that the track presenter has been axed and the after meeting disco been scrapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) rambo must be coming back to stoke on a good wage,as iv heard through the grapevine that the track presenter has been axed and the after meeting disco been scrapped You say on the grapevine, he posted it himself on facebook and it has already been mentioned on the Stoke forum I'm not quite sure the 2 events are related though, given that Chris informed people of this about 3 days before Rambo was released from Leicester...post hoc ergo propter hoc and all that Edited July 9, 2012 by vog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 What happened in the PL for him then? i take it it couldnt have gone that well? he always looked a class above at NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Wasn't expecting that when I woke this morning. Initial thoughts without my coffee is it makes us stronger.....how can i say that when one of the best developing riders in the country drops out of your side?.(that's Richie not Jamie) Well we end up with ( when Ben moves up) 5 riders of average 5 and above and two reserves who at present averaging 5 and 3.81. With the fantastic rise of Ben, people seem to have missed that Liam is a fine young prospect who will not let points go easily and Ross who is not that far of the pace. Jamie was really struggling this year and has banged himself about a bit with falls which could of knocked his confidence. The other option would of been to go with two 5'ish ponters and drop Ross out. Now Jamie could of turned his season around but that's a could be and I don't have crystal balls but I don't think so. Who is the last rider? I have no idea but you don't make these changes without having someone lined up......do you? O forgot to mention but I'm sure all knew. Richie hasn't ridden a league match for us this year so we (in the league really haven't felt his presence) If i was in charge at the IofW i would snap Jaimie up in a flash, i would bin Gary Cottham and move Aaron Baseby down to reserve, even riding like he is at the moment JP is a better rider than Cottham, and by moving Baseby to reserve would make IofW a lot stronger there, and by pairing Paul Starke and Jaimie together would make a very good pairing. Edited July 10, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jef Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 If i was in charge at the IofW i would snap Jaimie up in a flash, i would bin Gary Cottham and move Aaron Baseby down to reserve, even riding like he is at the moment JP is a better rider than Cottham, and by moving Baseby to reserve would make IofW a lot stronger there, and by pairing Paul Starke and Jaimie together would make a very good pairing. 'Bin Gary Cottham' - based on what? Everytime I have watched Gary ride he has given 100% he has had some good scores home and away. If any changes were to be made Gary would definitely not be top of my list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 well thats another young british rider that stoke have thrown on the scrapheap, cant see anyone signing him on his average We agree on something at least. Can Jayne fit him in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Without studying averages and who's available this seems the most logical move. It's probably about the only move that would keep Stoke competitive for the rest of the season. The interesting thing now is do Stoke simply replace Pickard with the points remaining, 5½, or drop a 3 pointer and split the 8½ two ways? Again, I'm not sure who's available on a 4-5½ point average from last season. Somebody having a tough PL season on a low 3.something could be an option to DU. Incidentally, if I were a Stoke fan I'd be disappointed to see Pickard go but I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's a numbers game and he's the one not living up to expectations at the moment. He's been around a while so he'll understand, I'm sure, and I don't think it'll be long before one of the weaker NL clubs take a punt on him regaining last seasons form. The NL is a professional league just as the PL and EL is. It'll do young Brits no harm whatsoever to learn things don't get handed on a plate. A small surplus of riders at all levels is no bad thing. Riders need to know there are others waiting to step in if they do not score the points expected of them. It should drive them on and likewise those waiting in the wings will push harder to get their chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builderbob Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 devildodger, averages dont fit to drop cotham and bring in pickard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Without studying averages and who's available this seems the most logical move. It's probably about the only move that would keep Stoke competitive for the rest of the season. The interesting thing now is do Stoke simply replace Pickard with the points remaining, 5½, or drop a 3 pointer and split the 8½ two ways? Again, I'm not sure who's available on a 4-5½ point average from last season. Somebody having a tough PL season on a low 3.something could be an option to DU. Incidentally, if I were a Stoke fan I'd be disappointed to see Pickard go but I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's a numbers game and he's the one not living up to expectations at the moment. He's been around a while so he'll understand, I'm sure, and I don't think it'll be long before one of the weaker NL clubs take a punt on him regaining last seasons form. The NL is a professional league just as the PL and EL is. It'll do young Brits no harm whatsoever to learn things don't get handed on a plate. A small surplus of riders at all levels is no bad thing. Riders need to know there are others waiting to step in if they do not score the points expected of them. It should drive them on and likewise those waiting in the wings will push harder to get their chance. I agree. And Jaimie has been very understanding about it, his comments on the situation on Facebook are a real credit to him. I hope he gets fixed up soon. He has a talent, but has taken a bit of a knock in confidence this year - but showed some of his old self in the first heat on Saturday, before taking a fall in his next ride - and he was writhing around in agony after that and was riding injured. I'm sure whoever picks him up will get 100% out of him. It's a shame he can't stay, as he rode really well when partnering Lambo last year, so it's a pity we can't fit him in to partner again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) devildodger, averages dont fit to drop cotham and bring in pickard When do the new ones come out, forgot it was 40.00 for the NL 'Bin Gary Cottham' - based on what? Everytime I have watched Gary ride he has given 100% he has had some good scores home and away. If any changes were to be made Gary would definitely not be top of my list! We have a difference of opinion on that, he has been riding for some years now and is still on just over a 4 point average and his no better than a NL reserve, if he was riding in the main body of the team yes i would agree, but he is not, thats what i base my opinion on, and he would be top of my list, just my opinion. Edited July 10, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Without studying averages and who's available this seems the most logical move. It's probably about the only move that would keep Stoke competitive for the rest of the season. The interesting thing now is do Stoke simply replace Pickard with the points remaining, 5½, or drop a 3 pointer and split the 8½ two ways? Again, I'm not sure who's available on a 4-5½ point average from last season. Somebody having a tough PL season on a low 3.something could be an option to DU. Incidentally, if I were a Stoke fan I'd be disappointed to see Pickard go but I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's a numbers game and he's the one not living up to expectations at the moment. He's been around a while so he'll understand, I'm sure, and I don't think it'll be long before one of the weaker NL clubs take a punt on him regaining last seasons form. The NL is a professional league just as the PL and EL is. It'll do young Brits no harm whatsoever to learn things don't get handed on a plate. A small surplus of riders at all levels is no bad thing. Riders need to know there are others waiting to step in if they do not score the points expected of them. It should drive them on and likewise those waiting in the wings will push harder to get their chance. No it is not. They do not get paid £10 a point and 10p a mile in the Premier League and Elite League. Your absurd post illustrates that National League has lost its way. Simon Lambert is an outstanding rider but to have to drop yet another rider to fit him in is just so wrong. It is a development league and you are deluding yourself if you think there are a large number of riders waiting in the wings. There are not. We are beginning to see the demise of National League speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Your spot on, the only reason Simon Lambert signed for Stoke is because he got dropped by Leicester, he will bin Stoke the minute a PL comes in for him, Vasey is suppose to be all for developing riders in the NL, well i don't see any going on at Stoke at the minute, no sooner Lambert was dropped from his PL team, he signed him, i don't see any developing Stoke in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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